i see loads of verbiage in the preceding pages on cause & effect, karma, buddhism, a-theism and religions... which is all good fun! now for people who have an interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_in_Buddhism remember that buddhism is a journey, do not get stuck at the first gate, karma is not all there is... for it too is an illusion...
WHOA!!!!! I missed this one. So... Buddhism is a branch of Hinduism, is it? I see, Z. That is truly fascinating. By the way, nice sentence construction here, Z. Tell us, where were you born, i.e. in which country?
Utter nonsense. Hinduism includes the full spectrum from atheism to theism. There has not been a reformation in Hinduism, nor a different religion nor a new religion formed...everything under the sun is already in the Vedic literature. There has been no new Vedic literature for as long as their has been recoded history (at least 5,000 years dating back to when Veda Vyas organized the Vedic verses into their present system). There are commentaries since then, but no new Vedic scriptures. It is nothing at all like Judaism with the beliefs that the "New Testament" of Christianity trumps the Old Testament. What people fail to understand about Hinduism, or Bharatvarsh as it was properly known to the Indian people before the British came and gave it the present name, is that it encompases all religious beliefs, as it rejects no religious beliefs, as it accepts that people are on different levels of understanding on their path. Each level is true on its own level, but not necessarily true when applied to a different point of view. That is why many people who study all the different Vedic literature (though time would not allow real study of all the literature, it may take an entire lifetime ...assuming one genuinely understook Sanskrit...just to study Niya or Vasheska thoroughly, including all the commentaries and bashyas surrounding just one single aspect of the Six Systems of Vedic philosophy.
Nice Cole's Notes cut and paste job. I can just see you feverishly doing the Google searches necessary to come up with this generic text. It probably took you all of 20 minutes. Intellectual dishonesty at its very worst. I think your mistaken use of the word Karma basically outed you, Z. All of this is so demeaning to you personally. You should just change the subject now.
http://hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_buddhism.asp Hinduism and Buddhism by Jayaram V Gautama was born and brought up and lived and died a Hindu...There was not much in the metaphysics and principles of Gautama which cannot be found in one or other of the orthodox systems, and a great deal of his morality could be matched from earlier or later Hindu books." (Rhys Davids) "Buddhism, in its origin at least is an offshoot of Hinduism." (S.Rahdhakrishnan) Both Hinduism and Buddhism originated in the Indian subcontinent and share a very long, but rather peculiar and uncomfortable relationship, which in many ways is comparable to that of Judaism and Christianity. The Buddha was born in a Hindu family, just as Christ was born in a Jewish family. Some people still argue that Buddhism was an offshoot of Hinduism and the Buddha was a part of the Hindu pantheon, a view which is not acceptable to many Buddhists. It is however widely accepted that Buddhism gained popularity in India because it released the people from the oppression of tradition and orthodoxy. The teachings of the Buddha created hope and aspiration for those who had otherwise no hope of salvation and freedom of choice in a society that was dominated by caste system, predominance of ritual form of worship and the exclusive status of the privileged classes which the Vedic religion upheld as inviolable and indisputable. Long ago, over 1500 years ago, Hindu tradition accepted the Buddha as an incarnation of Vishnu. However strong rivalry existed between both traditions in the subcontinent for a very long time. The followers of Siva and the Buddha could hardly stand each other in the earlier times. There were instances of Buddhist persecution by Hindu rulers, though a great majority followed a policy of religious toleration. Sasank, a ruler from Bengal and contemporary of Harshavardhana vandalized Buddhist monuments and burnt the pipal tree under which the Buddha got enlightenment. Despite the fundamental differences between both the religions, Hinduism and Buddhism influenced each other in many ways. The Buddhist notion of non-injury and compassion toward all living beings took deep roots in the Indian soil, while Mahayana Buddhism took cue from the traditional Indian methods of devotional worship. Buddhism influenced the growth and development of Indian art and architecture and contributed richly to the practice of breathing and meditation in attaining mindfulness and higher states of consciousness. The Hindu tantra influenced the origin and evolution of Vajrayana Buddhism. Similarities Hinduism and Buddhism share some of the following similiarities. 1. Both Hinduism and Buddhism emphasize the illusory nature of the world and the role of karma in keeping men bound to this world and the cycle of births and deaths. 2. Both religions believe in the concept of karma, transmigration of souls and the cycle of births and deaths for each soul. 3. Both emphasize compassion and non violence towards all living beings. 4. Both believe in the existence of several hells and heavens or higher and lower worlds. 5. Both believe in the existence of gods or deities on different planes. 6. Both believe in certain spiritual practices like meditation, concentration, cultivation of certain bhavas or states of mind. 7. Both believe in detachment, renunciation of worldly life as a precondition to enter to spiritual life. Both consider desire as the chief cause of suffering. 8. The Advaita philosophy of Hinduism is closer to Buddhism in many respects. 9. Buddhism and Hinduism have their own versions of Tantra. 10. Both originated and evolved on the Indian soil. The founder of Buddhism was a Hindu who became the Buddha. Buddhism is the greatest gift of India to mankind. Differences Following are some of the differences we can see in the principles and practice of these two religions. 1. Hinduism is not founded by any particular prophet. Buddhism was founded by the Buddha. 2. Hinduism believes in the efficacy and supremacy of the Vedas. The Buddhist do not believe in the Vedas or for that matter any Hindu scripture. 3. Buddhism does not believe in the existence of souls as well as in the first cause, whom we generally call God. Hinduism believe in the existence of Atman , that is the individual soul and Brahman, the Supreme Creator. 4. Hinduism accepts the Buddha as an incarnation of Mahavishnu, one of the gods of Hindu trinity. The Buddhist do not accept any Hindu god either as equivalent or superior to the Buddha. 5. The original Buddhism as taught by the Buddha is known as Theravada Buddhism or Hinayana Buddhism. Followers of this do not worship images of the Buddha nor believe in the Bodhisattvas. The Mahayana sect considers the Buddha as the Supreme Soul or the Highest Being, akin to the Brahman of Hinduism and worship him in the form of images and icons. 6. The Buddhists consider the world to be full of sorrow and regard ending the sorrow as the chief aim of human life. The Hindus consider that there are four chief aims (arthas) in life which every being should pursue. They are dharma (religious duty), artha (wealth or material possessions), kama (desires and passions) and moksha (salvation.) 7. Hindus also believe in the four ashramas or stages in life. This is not followed in Buddhism. People can join the Order any time depending upon their spiritual preparedness. 8. Buddhists organize themselves into a monastic Order (Sangha) and the monks live in groups. Hinduism is basically a religion of the individual. 9. Buddhism believes in the concept of Bodhisattvas. Hinduism does not believe in it. 11. Buddhism acknowledge the existence of some gods and goddesses of Hindu pantheon, but give them a rather subordinate status. 12. Refuge in the Buddha, the Sangha and Dhamma are the three cardinal requirements on the eightfold path. Hinduism offers many choices to its followers on the path of self-realization. 13. Although both religions believe in karma and rebirth, they differ in the manner in which they operate and impact the existence of individual beings. Of the two religions Hinduism is older perhaps by at least a millennium or two. Some Buddhist may argue that the Buddha that we know historically as born in the sixth century B.C. in the Indian subcontinent was but one in the line of many Buddhas that preceded him and would follow him. Such a belief may enjoy some validation and approval in the metaphysical realm of enlightened monks, just as the Hindus believe in the existence and continuation of sanatana dharma, (popularly known as Hinduism) through endless cycles of creation and dissolution of worlds spanning across a time frame of millions of years. However available evidence do not confirm the theory that Buddhism existed as a religion prior to the birth of the Buddha. In case of Mahavira, the founder of Jainism we have evidence that he was the last in the long line of 24 Jain Thirthankaras, But in case of Buddhism we do not have such confirmation. Technically speaking, Hinduism is not a religion but a group of religious and sectarian movements that share some fundamental and in some respects identical beliefs, regional variations, history, tradition and practices peculiar to the land and the times in which they originated and evolved. In contrast, Buddhism is a well established and organized religion having a set of beliefs and practices, commonly known as the Dhamma, based on the Four Noble Truths and the Eightfold Path. We can safely conclude that in the first few centuries following the nirvana of the Buddha, Buddhism was an integral and significant part of the complex religious character of the subcontinent that was later came to be recognized as Hinduism by the outside world. However subsequently Buddhism crossed the boundaries of the Indian subcontinent and went on to play a much greater role in the whole of Asia. In the process it developed a very complex sectarian, theological and geographical diversity and tradition of its own to become one of the most significant and influential religions of the world. No wonder many people who are not familiar with the history of the Indian subcontinent fail to understand and notice the deep connection that existed between Hinduism and Buddhism in the earlier days and the significant ways in which they enriched each other.
Yes. "Bringing up Buddhism" does exactly that. Indicative of all the false argument and disconnects zzz throws around then tries to cover over with more and more fulminations , from Supreme Court rulings to Buddha. So the claim was made ID/Creationism was non denominational in attempt to support an 'ignorant chance' dogma as the only alternative, an alternative which was not accepted by any religion.. The argument being made was , all religious groups choose ID/Creationism as opposed to the false dichotomy argument and dogmatic assertion which is 'ignorant chance'. The Buddhists example illustrates his argument to be without any foundation. Buddhists do not support or accept ID/Creationism, so the fact is, of course ID/Creationism IS denominational. It does not fit with all religious denominations . The dogmatic assertion of 'ignorant chance' now has Buddhists as 'ignorant chancers' as they do not accept ID/Creationism. Apart from the ignorance he portrays, that kind of extremist dogma is typical of many of ZZz posts. Predictably not able to accept his mistake , he'll follow his usual troll insult ad hominem and compounding of error, arguing more and more into ridiculousness, rather than just dropping it for the error it is, or acknowledging he messed up yet again. You might want to watch out for the tantrums next in case ZZzz childishly reaches into his toy cupboard, as he usually does, to throw out a fav collection of very silly image gifs all over the floor. It would be a recognizable part of his next chosen format for communicating yet more false or misleading statements to prop up his dogma. Hope this helps
no, jes dude please try to concentrate. What I said was... ANYTHING you say about Gilbert you must already have said about God. not.... anything that can be said about God can be said about Gilbert You have it ass over tit again. You know, like when you got the math wrong and tried to add "God = Gilbert+1". You'll end up with an F again. You don't want to be hung out to dry by the Examination Board do you? OH!! I am SO SORRY!. Just a figure of speech. Christ sakes jes, I asked if you were so blind. Gilbert+1 doesn't work. It sends you into the hell which is infinite regress. Now you don't want to go there do you? By your very own descriptions, whenever you hear the word "God" you have already reached for God's existence. God+1 you have reached and some that's all. It's +1 more/better/further/stronger. God+1 = Gilbert. Don't you see.. ANYTHING you say about Gilbert you must already have said about God. So to deny Gilbert is to deny God. If you are fearful of Gilbert as you suggest, then it will be God who first generated the fear. Then consider reducing God, as the math shows, Gilbert reduces proportionately. Wake up at the back there
"Hope this helps" If serving to illustrate that you are confused, misinterpreting statements of others, and failing to make any cogent points related to my previous comments... Yes, from that perspective, it helps to make the case for you suffering from the limitations a two dimensional thinker incapable of grasping abstract concepts. Thanks. Oh, and ID remains non denominational.
Stu said: Yes, it does. Thanks. What was being discused when this all came up was the comments of Roman Catholic Cardinal Cristoph Schoenborn of Vienna that sharply criticized efforts in America to prevent students from learning about the debate over Darwinâs theory. I don't know if ID is compatible with Buddhism but I do know that there are persons that claim to be Buddhists that support ID. Also, ID doesn't have to be compatible with Buddhism for it to be discussed in the public schools anymore than Darwinian theory has to be compatible with creationism to be discussed. I have no stake is this debate unless the ID critics are arguing that ID shouldn't be discussed in the public schools because it isn't compatible with all religions.