Intelligent Design is not creationism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Teleologist, Nov 4, 2006.

  1. I know you're not fooled by this crapola, kj. This is Z distancing himself from someone who has clearly exhausted his fund of credibility. Z's post is self-serving.
     
    #1621     Jan 21, 2007
  2. jem

    jem

    zzz my position is that some respected scientists say that the universe looks designed.

    I make the appeal to authority because top scientists are virtually the only ones who can competently examine the data, apply the high level math and offer credible conclusions in this subject area.

    by the way the spell checker does not work.

    I called someone a liar after he misrepresented my positon.
     
    #1622     Jan 21, 2007
  3. Q: If string theory is proven false, then would that fact be evidence tending to prove that the universe is designed?
     
    #1623     Jan 21, 2007
  4. Ether64

    Ether64

     
    #1624     Jan 21, 2007
  5. Ether64

    Ether64

     
    #1625     Jan 21, 2007
  6. Ether64

    Ether64

    I read that article, and I can't say I agree with everything in it. I never heard of this center prior to seeing this post.

    The only thing I do agree to, is that there are immutable laws in motion on the earth, but I believe God initiated them. So whether we label it as gravity or "intelligent falling" which I think is somewhat extreme in it's efforts to discredit the opposition, we have to agree that these "laws" do exist. How they work or function is another issue entirely.

    "Even critics of Intelligent Falling admit that Einstein's ideas about gravity are mathematically irreconcilable with quantum mechanics."

    This quote in the article caught my attention simply because it demonstrates the fact that there is an ongoing state of disagreement within the speculative circle that most here ascribe to. One theory has been around for years, and the other is new. I'm sure that in a few more years, the theory of gravity will be considered old hat, and the quantum theory will be the accepted norm.

    That is the point...the theories most in here believe in are forever changing and there are always discrepancies and evidence being disproved, but still in all, most of you say that it is still factual. Peace.
     
    #1626     Jan 21, 2007
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    #1627     Jan 21, 2007
  8. You've got it mixed up.

    God is not special. The Father is not special. The Son is not special. They are equal.

    The Father is not at the core of the "making" of this universe. He has nothing to do with this universe. The mind of the Son made it up in imagination, based on a desire to be special. It is "made", not created. So it's not real.

    In this world, it is assumed God made a hierarchy of beings, one of whom wanted to be equal with God. This world makes equality with God "blasphemy". There is no hierarchy but where you land when you attempt to be more than equal...or less than equal to the Father, or any brother.

    In Heaven, equality is a given. It is a desire to be special that leads to the making of such unreal worlds as this. From my point of view, it is "blasphemous" to make yourself out to be less than, or more than the Son of God...equal with the Father as He created him.

    Think about it. How can you be less than who you are? How can you be more than everything?

    You underestimate your power to make up worlds in which alternative scenarios play out. Never are you without the power of the Son of God.

    Jesus
     
    #1628     Jan 21, 2007
  9. Yes, and everything that gives us the quality of life we enjoy is a product of this beautiful ongoing process of discovery, underpinned by the scientific method which actively seeks to disprove its own theories in order that the truth may be discerned a tiny bit more clearly.

    Does science sometimes create bad things which hurt people? All the time. But this not a failing of the scientific method. It is a failing of the humans who employ it.

    The faith mongers have no need for scientific theory because for them, their 'truth' is received from the Creator God with whom they will have a nice visit when they die. Actively trying to disprove the existence of God is not called progress in the religious community. It is called heresy.

    Peace to you too.
     
    #1629     Jan 21, 2007
  10. I hate to fight this battle all over again with someone who hasn't the decency of reading all the previous posts before joining the discussion. I would simply point out, that the theory of gravity is considered old hat, and the quantum theoy is already accepted norm in science today. The fact that the two cannot be unified in a single theory, does not mean that each one is not valid by itself.

    Please, don't expose your ignorance here. If you want to contribute to the science side of the discussion, at least educate yourself of the basic facts.

    If you confine your discussion to religion, then I won't object. But don't pretend that you know something about science, like jem and z10 did in this thread, only generating laughable posts such as z10's snowflake self, and jem's quantum rocket.
     
    #1630     Jan 21, 2007