INFLUENCE GAME: Leaks show group's climate efforts

Discussion in 'Politics' started by futurecurrents, Feb 16, 2012.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    Compare process to process, not CO2 to warming? Thus, rising CO2 causes warming.
     
    #51     Feb 21, 2012
  2. jem

    jem

    you have no data to even support that idea..

    its been done for us... here are graphs that are excellent mapping the changes. And the author makes some interesting neutral conclusions about CO2 and falling temps.


    http://icecap.us/images/uploads/CO2,Temperaturesandiceages-f.pdf
     
    #52     Feb 21, 2012
  3. Ricter

    Ricter

    Why are greenhouses warmer inside than outside?
     
    #53     Feb 21, 2012
  4. jem

    jem

    greenhouses reflect less light than whitehouses?
     
    #54     Feb 21, 2012
  5. Eight

    Eight

    moronically oversimplified drive-by thingies like that are what appeal to the hysterical environuts...

    Our earth can obviously compensate for greenhouse gasses, it's been belching them out since it's beginnings. Mankind is adding a small fraction of what earth produces and earth is compensating for it... earth compensated for krakatoa!!

    I'm an engineer and had philosophy 101, you morons can't put that shit past me...
     
    #55     Feb 21, 2012
  6. Ummmm, no. Man has increased the CO2 levels by 35% over natural levels. Not volcanoes. That's a provable fact. The extra CO2 is from man. We know this by isotope analysis and simply by doing the math on how much we have burned in the last 150 years.

    The fact is that CO2 in the atmosphere increases temps. It has in the past and it's doing it now. It really is that simple. There is virtually no disagreement on that fact among climatologists.
     
    #56     Feb 21, 2012
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    I disagree.

    If the level of CO2 is constant, and all other variables are held constant, will there be warming (assuming equilibrium has already been reached)?

    If the level of CO2 is increased, and all other variables are held constant, will there be warming?
     
    #57     Feb 21, 2012
  8. Yes to your second statement.
     
    #58     Feb 21, 2012
  9. Arnie

    Arnie

    Warming preceeds the increase in CO2. You can prove this in the lab. All of the temp data in the past via ice core samples shows that temps rise well before an increase in CO2. In fact the same ice core data shows a sharp plunge in temps AFTER CO2 increases.
     
    #59     Feb 22, 2012
  10. Ricter

    Ricter

    Because CO2 does not trap heat? Or because other cyclical factors, such as solar output, changed?
     
    #60     Feb 22, 2012