Individual-1: Endgame

Discussion in 'Politics' started by exGOPer, Dec 7, 2018.


  1. Rachel Madow

    Rachel Maddow outlined the legal case against Trump concerning Russia Collusion and campaign finance law. So far, their theory(ies) is(are) fundamentally and fatally flawed. I'm not going into specifics here, but as it stands now, there is not enough credible evidence against Trump that Congressional Democrats would be willing to take on political risk in going after him. In a way, I would be happy for Democrats to attempt to do another "Kavanaugh" on Trump as their failure may have political consequences.

    You have mainly heard from one side who is biased and is relying on incomplete, inaccurate, or irrelevant information. In a formal hearing, both sides get to present their case and the Trump team has plenty of evidence and resources to show there was no serious, if any, criminal wrong doing by Trump.
     
    #21     Dec 8, 2018
  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    I don't watch cable TV or follow Maddow but Maddow isn't on the wrong track. I made my comments after reading the indictments, you are playing the victim again. Instead of ranting and raving about 'Kavanaugh or bias, why don't you point out what I was wrong about?
     
    #22     Dec 9, 2018
  3. Playing victim? That is a serious charge.

    I am not thinking in terms of what you may be wrong about. I am thinking in terms of what a potential Trump legal defense team could come up with against charges of felony campaign fraud and election "interference". The legal case as outlined by Rachel Maddow was weak. I don't recall her citing her sources, but as a admitted non attorney, she seemed to be relying on "official" sources. I'm not an attorney either and this post is not intended to be construed as a legal opinion.

    The Swamp is on the offense right now. They have a seemingly unlimited budget and favorable media coverage against Trump who is supposed to reform our politics. I don't ever recall hearing you talk in general terms about the corruption on a massive scale in US politics. Most people I talk to believe corruption runs rampant in all levels of government. Polls seem to reflect this as they consistently show Congressional approval ratings of around 20%.

    The US political system is corrupt and Trump is probably our last shot, save revolution, in reforms taking place.

    Trump has some baggage with Trump University, his admitted successful lobbying attempts, and his use of US bankruptcy laws to his substantial financial benefit. Trump also is used to working in a more closed environment where his word is final. This obviously does not work well in the case in foreign affairs and domestics politics. Although there are legitimate concerns about whether Trump is really a reformer given his past, I see him as our only shot against the establishment. Trump sought family approval for his Presidential run because it is no secret a Republican President will be put through the ringer by the media. In addition, he has picked up on the fact that most people have serious concerns where the US is headed. Surely you can generally recall those polls before Trump was elected. The US political system needs reforming and the Mueller and media investigations are yet another symptom of the swamp running out of control. Trump said he would clean up the swamp and the media does want to given him a chance. Might that be because our biased and opinion giving media is part of the swamp?

    Most politicians do not understand what creates prosperity. Increased Government controls ultimately lead to reduced personal and business incentive to be productive. Reduced productivity leads to lower standards of living. Take a look at the standard of living with the working class in Russia and China. Actually, look at the standard of living of the working class in most countries. In addition, consider the US is one of the few countries where someone can be born poor and can create a good life for their family or even become rich if they desire.

    Being diplomatic here, I see you as a supporter of Leftist and Democratic causes because your relatively narrow view causes you to miss some of the basic truths mentioned above. True the Republicans are far from perfect, but it seems like they are much more likely to be productive.
     
    #23     Dec 9, 2018
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  4. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    Trump lost by 2.8 million votes in 2016 and 8.6 million votes in 2018.Whats funny is you think he's winning in 2020 ROTFL
     
    #24     Dec 9, 2018
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  5. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    If Trump had good attorneys(which he doesn't) they would be focusing on stopping him from dying in prison.

    Its quite clear if it wasn't for the office he holds he would be indicted in multiple states on multiple state and federal charges facing decades long prison sentences .If he loses in 2020 he no longer has that office to protect him or a republican president to pardon him.

    Mueller may not get him out due to the republicans in The Senate or his DOJ not wanting to indict a sitting president but Trumps ass is grass in Jan 2021.

    Normally it would be sad to see a President die in prison but in Trumps case I'm looking foward to it.
     
    #25     Dec 9, 2018
  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    I heard somewhere that if Trump were in fact able to be charged in these matters, the statute of limitations runs out in 2022.

    Now here's an interesting thought....

    Lets say Trump got the feeling he didn't have a chance at re-election... perhaps he just wouldn't run. Why you ask?
    Because if he lost there would be absolutely no chance of a pardon.
    But....if he stepped aside and let Pence run (who would have a pretty decent chance at a win all things considered)... he would be assured of a pardon. He also saves face by stepping down and not taking a loss. He'll spin it in such a way that its far less damaging to his fragile ego (and whatever legacy he may leave behind).

    .... just a thought.
     
    #26     Dec 9, 2018
  7. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark

    If things went his way that would be a good outcome...But I doubt Pence would win in 2020,I doubt Trump would step aside and even if Pence pardons him local DA's could be coming at him with state charges.Local DA's would love the attention and having locked up a crooked president on thier resume.

    Not even sure Pence would pardon him,would he want the same destiny and legacy as Ford?Pardoning a crooked President is his presidential legacy and he lost his presidential election.
     
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    #27     Dec 9, 2018
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    The chances of the GOP taking the presidency are nil. Their only shot would be running Mueller at this point. Even running a moderate like Kacisch would put off all the Trumpklins
     
    #28     Dec 9, 2018
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    How many states & counties did Trump win compared to the number Hillary won?

    You need to focus on the Electoral Vote which is meaningful.
     
    #29     Dec 9, 2018
  10. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    I disagree. Trump's base will flock to Pence, there's no question about that. Thats a given. And if the Dems put up some far left nut-case.... independents and swing voters in Wisconsin, PA, MI, MN, and Ohio will once again go red.

    Assuming a Dem win in 2020 at this point is FAR from a sure thing, especially if Trump steps aside and lets Pence run with the economic and diplomatic agenda already put forth. Pence may look boring now... but he is actually a very charismatic person when he's on his own. Sure he'll lose California, NY, MA, CT.... but who cares. He'll win FL and Ohio.

    Like I said, a Dem win 2020 is FAR from a sure thing.
     
    #30     Dec 9, 2018