Index futures automation

Discussion in 'Journals' started by hilmy83, Jul 3, 2022.

Can a fully automated trading strategy work in the long run?

  1. YES!

    56 vote(s)
    66.7%
  2. Hell naw.

    15 vote(s)
    17.9%
  3. I don't know, I got my own trading to worry about.

    13 vote(s)
    15.5%
  1. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    Screw it, I'm going back to manual trading. Need to brush up on the skills.

    Starting @ 2am CST, trading NQ

    Using my classic moving averages + vwap bands setup.
    Scale out when wrong or hold whole position till profit target.
     
    #891     Mar 31, 2024
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  2. hilmy83

    hilmy83

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    #892     Apr 1, 2024
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  3. Well, you don’t seem to have that problem during your intraday drawdowns which often come at huge multiples of your average daily gain.

    In summary, when you’re in drawdown you just keep going and going, but quit as soon as you’re in profit. Equally, you will book the day as soon as you have a green day.

    Why not keep going on a green day as well?

    Surely there has to be a middle ground here.

    In principle, I don’t see anything wrong with daily conservative targets, but the fact that you’re willing to go 10-25x your average daily gain in the red to achieve it sums up the flaws of this approach.
     
    #893     Apr 1, 2024
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  4. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn


    What caused it to blow up?
    Is the blow up a necessary risk to the strategy? (Like you are betting on mean reversion and then it trends against you)
     
    #894     Apr 1, 2024
  5. hilmy83

    hilmy83

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    March '24 return: -32.21%
    2024 YTD return -25.97%

    All time return (Jan 2023-Mar 2024): +12.40%
    Same period returns for
    SPX = +36.85%
    NDX = +66.87%

    Severely underperforming the benchmarks.

    The backtests did show significant setbacks in during the black swan events. The last time this happened was in 4/6/21. But can't really predict these things, just likelihood. But like I said, I don't think I can sit through months of stagnation (longest being +900 days!) while waiting for new high being made.Plust 2006-2017 volatility is MUCH lower than the last couple of years, so another one of these would cripple the account.

    So I'm deciding to scrap the strategy. Going back to manual trading for a while until I can figure out how to create a consistent income generating bot.

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    #895     Apr 1, 2024
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  6. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    It's inherent in the strategy I guess. Betting on a breakout on ORB but it remains mean reverting.
     
    #896     Apr 1, 2024
  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    Orb?
     
    #897     Apr 1, 2024
  8. hilmy83

    hilmy83

    opening range breakout
     
    #898     Apr 1, 2024
  9. ironchef

    ironchef

    Here is my experience in day trading:

    The market is a very bad teacher, it taught me to take profits earlier and earlier because more often than not, profits turned into losses if I waited; on the flip side, when I took losses early, more often than not, losses turned around to become profits if I only waited a little longer and so it taught me to hang on to my losses.

    Eventually, day trading became scalping. We settle for a Big Mac instead of a Wagyu steak. :banghead:
     
    #899     Apr 1, 2024
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  10. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    I am shocked that the system could lose 25% in a day. The amount of leverage required would be astronomical.
     
    #900     Apr 1, 2024
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