Indefinite detention for American citizens on the horizon, WH will not veto NDAA

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by DemZad, Dec 14, 2011.

  1. It's all over but the crying...

    By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, December 14, 3:32 PM

    WASHINGTON — White House issues statement saying it will not veto defense bill

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...defense-bill/2011/12/14/gIQApu7PuO_story.html

    So, now that it's all but official, and America will soon NOT be the land of the free, I'm curious what the community thinks about this.

    In case you are unaware, this defense authorization bill, which among other things establishes appropriations for our military, wars, etc, has an extra provision attached...which every freedom loving American had better take note of:

    NDAA S. 1867, contains a section titled 1031 which authorizes indefinite military detention of suspected terrorists without protecting U.S. citizens’ right to trial.

    The first thing you need to realize with this component of the act is it transfers judicial authority from civilian courts to military tribunals, in matters of terrorism. The second thing you should be aware of is this, if you, as an American citizen are critical of the government, you may be labeled a terrorist, stripped of your Constitutional rights, and disappeared. It's that simple. No right to challenge your detention. Your family has no idea what happened to you or where you are. Just gone with no recourse whatsoever. Once the label is applied, its over.

    Here are excerpts from a letter penned by 40 lawmakers who seem to realize what this act portends:

    The Senate-passed version of the NDAA, S. 1867, contains Section 1031, which authorizes indefinite military detention of suspected terrorists without protecting U.S. citizens’ right to trial. We are deeply concerned that this provision could undermine the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, and Eighth amendment rights of U.S. citizens who might be subjects of detention or prosecution by the military.

    One signer, Rep. Martin Heinrich (D.-N.M., above left), stated, "I strongly oppose mandating military custody and allowing for indefinite detention without due process or trial. These provisions are deeply concerning and would risk putting American citizens in military detention, indefinitely. In short, this authority is at complete odds with the United States Constitution."

    According to Senator Levin, Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, this is all Obama:

    "The language which precluded the application of Section 1031 to American citizens was in the bill that we originally approved ... and the administration asked us to remove the language which says that U.S. citizens and lawful residents would not be subject to this section."

    I say this is the gravest threat ever posed to American citizens in our entire history. The enemy, it seems, is inside the gates. I would now like to hear from the Obama supporters. How do you explain this?

    References:

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...pposing-ndaas-indefinite-detention-provisions

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...est-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/

    http://amash.house.gov/press-release/amash-stop-indefinite-detention-americans

    http://www.aclu.org/indefinite-dete...r-and-2012-national-defense-authorization-act

    http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...erican-citizens-battlefield-they-define-being
     
  2. This bill makes the patriot act look like a good piece of legislation.

    :mad:
     
  3. The Patriot Act was but a precursor...testing the waters to see what Americans would do. We didn't do jack shit. Welcome to the next phase.

    All the partisan bickering, division, pretending one side was better than the other, all of it has led us to this point. We have been duped, hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok and now America is on the edge of being, officially, over.
     
  4. The scary thing about this is that there is absolutely no way to know when they are abusing it, one day you are challenging the government, and the next day you just disappear for ever and no one even knows what happened.

     
  5. joneog

    joneog

    "The average man does not want to be free. He simply wants to be safe." - Mencken
     
  6. I guess America's salvation will require more than what the average man can offer.
     
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    So where are all of ET's Obama loons at to defend the latest actions of their <s>president</s> KING of the USA?
     
  8. Good question. This is the single most destructive attack on our civil liberties to date. Obama asked for the ability to indefinitely detain American citizens, and not a peep from the usual suspects. Ironically, he threatened to veto the bill because he felt it restricted his power, not because it turns America into a battlefield.

    I am not expecting much from our resident apparatchiks because let's face it, there's simply no way to defend this.

    This is what's coming:

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  9. 10 things scare the hell out of me about the NDAA

    1) That a group in Congress would even write it
    2) That the house and senate overwhelming voted for it
    3) That Levin and McCain did not include protections for Americans in the original bill
    4) That after house debate, the opposing minority sought to include those simple protections in the bill, and were defeated
    5) That Obama specifically asked Levin-McCain not to include protections for Americans in the bill, and they agreed!
    6) That most of the votes for the bill were proposed to be done BY VOICE
    7) The virtual media blackout on it
    8) The non-reaction of most people, ET included
    9) The systematic use of the Patriot Act against American citizens, for non-terror related crimes (despite up-and-down assurances from Congress, POTUS, DOJ and FBI it wouldn't be used against Americans).
    10) That the SCOTUS routinely perverts the Constitution and twists its definition to meet the needs of the sitting administration (ie. the Obamacare insurance mandate ruled "Constitutional").


    This scare the living shit out of me. The NDAA is the biggest news since 911. It spells the end for the Constitution, and if the Supreme Court upholds it, turns America into a Police State. There is no hyperbole here. People must wake the fuck up, right now. Hardcore authoritarians run the show. This is pure madness. I can't stress this enough. I am preaching, but this is it. This is the end of America. People throw around the phrase "shredding/trampling on the Constitution" so much it's become a meaningless cliche. THE NDAA IS NOT A CLICHE. THIS IS THE END OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS. WAKE THE FUCK UP!
     
  10. Here is that traitor, Levin, telling you to your face, the NDAA applies to American citizens. And btw, he's lying. The original bill did not contain provisions to protect Americans. That bill, he co-authored with McCain, in secret. Nor Levin, nor McCain were forced to make this bill apply to Americans. Nor was the Congress or Senate forced to vote for it. By definition, this is treason. And the sad part is, everyone is afraid to say it. Why? Because it might draw unwanted attention from the stazi police. And if this bill passes, we could be hauled away for being a terrorist. Think about how far down the fucking road we are, right now. We're afraid to even speak out against this.


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    #10     Dec 15, 2011