Increasing Size During Drawdown

Discussion in 'Risk Management' started by oldtime, Oct 1, 2011.

  1. yes, possibly, at the time I was trading a system that used constant size

    thank G-d I freed myself from that idiocy

    size is everything

    especially if you are spreading
     
    #221     May 20, 2013
  2. I mention this Oldtime, because you are less likely to go bust if you choose a converging series rather than a diverging series.

    S + 2S + 4S + 8S + ...... = infinity, is a diverging series.
     
    #222     May 20, 2013
  3. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    According to Thorp, Buffet is a Kelly investor, which is an anti-Martingaling risk management strategy. If he buys more stock as the price goes down, it's because the company fundamentals tell him to, not because of some Martingale mysticism.
     
    #223     May 20, 2013
  4. far be it from me to defend Martingale, nice work if you have infinite capital,

    this isn't an averaging down thread

    that's another place for another crowd

    it's a constant betting size thread

    and I just asked the question years ago to see if anybody had run the numbers

    and it reverts back to "The Gambler's Fallacy"

    so stop being a dumbshit and start contributing
     
    #224     May 20, 2013
  5. In otherwords, with a 50/50 prop, what happens if you increase size after a larger than expected drawdown?
     
    #225     May 20, 2013
  6. it's really not open to debate, they have people on ET that are mathematicians, and that's all they do is run numbers, and they can tell you where you are thinking wrong.
     
    #226     May 20, 2013
  7. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    How am I not contributing when I just explained to you why Buffet does what YOU brought up? And how is it a constant betting size thread when the title is "Increasing Size during Drawdown", dumbshit?

    Have you been checked for Alzheimer's lately?
     
    #227     May 20, 2013
  8. well, perhaps I over spoke. Yes, the original question addressed a constant betting size.

    thanks for the contribution

    Yes, they checked me, but I can't really remember what the diagnosis was
     
    #228     May 20, 2013
  9. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    So now it's a 50/50 proposition?

    See, this what marks you as a gambler, not a trader. Traders don't take bets lacking positive expectation. We couldn't care less about bets with zero or *gag* negative expectation. No money management strategy will turn them into positive expectation.

    But fwiw my guess is that increasing size after any drawdown in a 50/50 prop will just accelerate your speed down the road to ruin.
     
    #229     May 20, 2013
  10. With forex? I don't really agree if you're choosing major currency pairs. If you're sizing with an understanding that a major currency pair trades within a range, you actually can rely on 50/50 and gradually increase size as it goes against you. It may take a long time though before it goes back in your favour. In theory ruin isn't possible unless it steps outside of the long term range.

    For example EURUSD: [L,U] = (.8, 1.6) approximately. Your maximum potential loss is therefore (1.6 - .8 ) X 10000 = 8000 pips. Ruin is still possible if it steps outside of that range, but how probable is this? I think if you add according to a converging series, you can guarentee a profitable trade most of the time. However, how long it takes to achieve that profitable trade depends on the rate of convergence. If you add according a diverging series, you will likely run out of money before the trade goes in your favour.
     
    #230     May 20, 2013