Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. The warming is only a few degrees right now, but the climate change this has caused is large. It is not the warmth per se it is the changes in climate this has/will cause. I know this a difficult concept for righties.

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    something like this does not occur without repercussions.
     
    #591     Sep 11, 2014
  2. jem

    jem

    This is a difficult thing for nutters... but historically thinking...
    CO2 levels are low
    Temperature is low

    CO2 is plant food
    The data shows ocean and air temps lead CO2 up and down. and
    There is no data showing man made co2 causes warming... all of that is just a guess...


    Note.. if fraudcurrents or any nutter had data or science showing man made co2 caused warming he would
    also have a nobel prize. He might even get a prize if he could find that co2 led warming and was not a laggard.

    Instead all he posts is warped perspective charts that make it hard to see that warming leads co2.

    And finally the models used to make the projections in his comedic chart... all have failed and been discredited... every nutter scientists now admits the models needed to take into account the sun and the tides.




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    #592     Sep 11, 2014
  3. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    The plants that jem keeps going on about are probably algae :)

    Yum.
     
    #593     Sep 11, 2014
  4. jem

    jem

    the algae is your head.

     
    #594     Sep 11, 2014
  5. jem

    jem

     
    #595     Sep 11, 2014
  6. jem

    jem

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/31/agu-says-co2-is-plant-food/


    Elevated carbon dioxide making arid regions greener


    31 May 2013
    AGU Release No. 13-24

    WASHINGTON, DC—Scientists have long suspected that a flourishing of green foliage around the globe, observed since the early 1980s in satellite data, springs at least in part from the increasing concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere. Now, a study of arid regions around the globe finds that a carbon dioxide “fertilization effect” has, indeed, caused a gradual greening from 1982 to 2010.

    Focusing on the southwestern corner of North America, Australia’s outback, the Middle East, and some parts of Africa, Randall Donohue of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) in Canberra, Australia and his colleagues developed and applied a mathematical model to predict the extent of the carbon-dioxide (CO2) fertilization effect. They then tested this prediction by studying satellite imagery and teasing out the influence of carbon dioxide on greening from other factors such as precipitation, air temperature, the amount of light, and land-use changes.


    The team’s model predicted that foliage would increase by some 5 to 10 percent given the 14 percent increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration during the study period. The satellite data agreed, showing an 11 percent increase in foliage after adjusting the data for precipitation, yielding “strong support for our hypothesis,” the team reports.

    “Lots of papers have shown an average increase in vegetation across the globe, and there is a lot of speculation about what’s causing that,” said Donohue of CSIRO’s Land and Water research division, who is lead author of the new study. “Up until this point, they’ve linked the greening to fairly obvious climatic variables, such as a rise in temperature where it is normally cold or a rise in rainfall where it is normally dry. Lots of those papers speculated about the CO2 effect, but it has been very difficult to prove.”

    He and his colleagues present their findings in an article that has been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.

    The team looked for signs of CO2 fertilization in arid areas, Donohue said, because “satellites are very good at detecting changes in total leaf cover, and it is in warm, dry environments that the CO2 effect is expected to most influence leaf cover.” Leaf cover is the clue, he added, because “a leaf can extract more carbon from the air during photosynthesis, or lose less water to the air during photosynthesis, or both, due to elevated CO2.” That is the CO2 fertilization effect.

    But leaf cover in warm, wet places like tropical rainforests is already about as extensive as it can get and is unlikely to increase with higher CO2 concentrations. In warm, dry places, on the other hand, leaf cover is less complete, so plants there will make more leaves if they have enough water to do so. “If elevated CO2 causes the water use of individual leaves to drop, plants will respond by increasing their total numbers of leaves, and this should be measurable from satellite,” Donohue explained.

    To tease out the actual CO2 fertilization effect from other environmental factors in these regions, the researchers first averaged the greenness of each location across 3-year periods to account for changes in soil wetness and then grouped that greenness data from the different locations according to their amounts of precipitation. The team then identified the maximum amount of foliage each group could attain for a given precipitation, and tracked variations in maximum foliage over the course of 20 years. This allowed the scientists to remove the influence of precipitation and other climatic variations and recognize the long-term greening trend.

    In addition to greening dry regions, the CO2 fertilization effect could switch the types of vegetation that dominate in those regions. “Trees are re-invading grass lands, and this could quite possibly be related to the CO2 effect,” Donohue said. “Long lived woody plants are deep rooted and are likely to benefit more than grasses from an increase in CO2.”

    “The effect of higher carbon dioxide levels on plant function is an important process that needs greater consideration,” said Donohue. “Even if nothing else in the climate changes as global CO2 levels rise, we will still see significant environmental changes because of the CO2 fertilization effect.”

    This study was funded by CSIRO’s Sustainable Agriculture Flagship, Water for a Healthy Country Flagship, the Australian Research Council and Land & Water Australia.

    Notes for Journalists
    Journalists and public information officers (PIOs) of educational and scientific institutions who have registered with AGU can download a PDF copy of this accepted article by clicking on this link:http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50563/abstract

    Or, you may order a copy of the final paper by emailing your request to Peter Weiss at PWeiss@agu.org. Please provide your name, the name of your publication, and your phone number.

    Neither the paper nor this press release are under embargo.
     
    #596     Sep 11, 2014
  7. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    What a pretty picture. Nice and lush and green. And an interesting study as well, conducted by "scientists" from Canberra. In Australia. And funded by Australian organizations.

    Isn't Australia the one that thinks global warming is nonsense and is burning fossil fuels as though there's no tomorrow (no pun intended)??
     
    #597     Sep 11, 2014

  8. No, try again.

    This is a difficult concept for right wing crazies but it's the RATE of change that is the problem.


    And there is tons of data showing man made co2 causes warming... all of that is just irrefutable science...that's why the entire world's science community considers it true. Anyone with common sense does also.


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    #598     Sep 11, 2014
  9. jem

    jem

    instead of addressing the science of whether co2 is causing the earth to green... and plenty of studies from all over do show the earth is greening and agricultural production is way up... including an article right below with I cited...

    DB just tries to attack a country with slander.

     
    #599     Sep 11, 2014
  10. jem

    jem

    show us the science that man made co2 causes warming.
    not that the earth is warming or that co2 is a greenhouse gas...
    not speculation co2 causes warming...
    but science that shows man made co2 is warming the planet.

    you keep lying your ass off and never once producing such data.




     
    #600     Sep 11, 2014