Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    Didn't you know? Water condenses and collects in heat and evaporates in cold. That's why Lake Mead is so low.

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    #131     Jul 20, 2014
  2. One result of the added CO2 is that nighttime low temps are not as low now. This is because CO2 acts like a space blanket, reflecting the infrared radiation back down that without it would go into space.




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    #132     Jul 20, 2014


  3. CO2 is far better at warming. The infrared component of solar is just a fraction of the total energy that CO2 let's onto the earth . Troll moron lying sack of shit.


    So you were glad when OJ got off weren't you? Cigarettes are not bad for one's health?
     
    #133     Jul 20, 2014
  4. The Earth is gaining heat faster than ever

    In 2013 the Earth’s oceans accumulated energy at a rate of 12 Hiroshima atomic bombs per second, according to global ocean heat content records from the US National Oceanographic Data Center (NODC). This rapid heating in 2013 compares to an average of 4 Hiroshima bombs per second since 1998, and 2 bombs per second since records began in 1955.

    This is not the usual way to begin an article about global warming observations, but I have chosen to do so because ocean heat content is objectively the most important piece of evidence. The vast majority of heat from global warming goes into the oceans, so ocean heat content is a more reliable indicator of climate than surface or atmospheric temperature. This data shows global warming has accelerated in the last 15 years, contrary to denialist claims that global warming has “slowed”, “paused”, or “stopped” because the upper ocean, atmosphere, and surface have warmed more slowly in recent years. Warming oceans fuel hurricanes, raise sea level, melt sea ice, devastate coral reefs, and force fish to migrate to cooler waters.


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    http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-not-slowing-its-speeding-up.html
     
    #134     Jul 20, 2014
  5. jem

    jem

    or taking a look at the map it be the heat island effect as american has become more urban the the thermometers are in places which now have concrete and brick... which retain heat.

    ever walk down an alley in N.Y. after a warm summer's day? those buildings reatin serious heat. Its not wonder people in cities go off during the summer.

     
    #135     Jul 20, 2014
  6. jem

    jem

    yes... and ocean temps lead co2... not the other way around...


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    The shape of the annual carbon increase resembles the shape of the global sea surface temperature (HADSST3), especially after reliable CO2 measurements began by Keeling after March 1958. Several known events are visible. Counting backwards: the 1998 El Niño, the 1994-5 El Niño, Mt Pinatubo in 1991, the 1986-7 El Niño, Mt Ruiz in 1985, El Chichon eruption in 1982, the 1972-3 El Niño, etc. Every positive peak is an El Niño and every negative peak is associated with a major volcanic eruption.

    As can be seen in Figure 1, there is no relationship between the fossil carbon emissions curve and the annual carbon increase curve. That is because all the fossil emissions carbon is taken up by the biosphere or by the oceans according to Henry’s Law, and then sequestered there. The carbon in the atmosphere is controlled by temperature. This has been described by Dr. Murry Salby in this presentations at Sydney and Hamburg. He compares the CO2 curve to the integral of temperature. Here, I am going the other way mathematically, taking the differential of the CO2 curve as temperature and comparing it to known temperature data, the HADSST3 data.

    - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2013/10/08/...-co2-and-not-vice-versa/#sthash.gBOX3Ftl.dpuf







     
    #136     Jul 20, 2014
  7. jem

    jem

    Science shows CO2 lags change in ocean temps.. see the peer reviewed paper below.

    "The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5-10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes."

    See: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.gloplacha.2012.08.008

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    #137     Jul 20, 2014
  8. Jem, how many times do we have go over this? CO2 lead temps AND temps lead CO2 . Your stubborn stupidity has now reached absurd levels. You're attempting to lecture us and you don't understand the most basic science involved.

    You lying sack of shit.
     
    #138     Jul 20, 2014
  9. When the Earth comes out of an ice age, the warming is not initiated by CO2 but by changes in the Earth's orbit. The warming causes the oceans to release CO2. The CO2 amplifies the warming and mixes through the atmosphere, spreading warming throughout the planet. So CO2 causes warming AND rising temperature causes CO2 rise. Overall, about 90% of the global warming occurs after the CO2 increase.
     
    #139     Jul 20, 2014
  10. An enhanced greenhouse effect from CO2 has been confirmed by multiple lines of empirical evidence. Satellite measurements of infrared spectra over the past 40 years observe less energy escaping to space at the wavelengths associated with CO2. Surface measurements find more downward infrared radiation warming the planet's surface. This provides a direct, empirical causal link between CO2 and global warming.
     
    #140     Jul 20, 2014