and by the way... once again we see the nutters pretend the earth is a closed system and implicitly applying the Bern hypothesis as if it is fact. I sense we just saw at least 2 errors. 1. the system is not closed. Recent measurements show the earths atmosphere off gases co2 into space at a higher rate that than the nutters might guess. 2. the bombshell curve shows that co2 does not stay in the atmosphere as long as the bern hypothesis. Therefore the earth might not have to eat as much co2 as nutters theorize. When you also consider the oceans off gas co2 as they warm and the data shows the ocean warming leads co2 levels by one year.... I question whether anything a nutter air conditioning / greenhouse gas vendor says is correct.
Good to see that you admit that CO2 going into solution will lower PH. After all it's basic science. The PH of the oceans is being reduced. Not evenly but as a whole. Since you seem confused about this very basic thing (like the fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas) you may want to see what NOAA says about it. You HAVE heard of NOAA right? LOL http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean Acidification
It really doesn't matter what a real estate agent, I mean low-grade lawyer, thinks about AGW. What matters is what the professional scientists think. Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations "Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2 American Association for the Advancement of Science "The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3 American Chemical Society "Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4 American Geophysical Union "Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5 American Medical Association "Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6 American Meteorological Society "It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7 American Physical Society "The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8 The Geological Society of America "The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9 SCIENCE ACADEMIES International academies: Joint statement "Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10 U.S. National Academy of Sciences "The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11 U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES U.S. Global Change Research Program "The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12 INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change “Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”13 “Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”14 *IPCC defines ‘very likely’ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence. OTHER RESOURCES List of worldwide scientific organizations The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action. http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php U.S. agencies The following page contains information on what federal agencies are doing to adapt to climate change. http://www.c2es.org/docUploads/federal-agencies-adaptation.pdf
The professional scientists at NASA concluded (you have heard of NASA right?): GLOBAL WARMING HAS SLOWED IT IS A MYSTERY TO NASA WITH RESPECT TO WHY IT HAS SLOWED TEMP IN TOP HALF OF WORLD'S OCEANS ARE NOT CLIMBING FAST ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR STALLED AIR TEMPS WARMING IN DEEP OCEAN IS NOT CAUSING SEA LEVEL RISE WATER TEMP IN DEEP OCEAN HASN'T RISEN SINCE 2005 AIR TEMPERATURES HAVE STALLED It is all just basic science.
No matter which side of the climate debate you sit on, it is interesting that the U.S. and China reached a historical deal on CO2 level reduction today. The proposal would have 26% to 28% of the U.S. levels by 2025, and a similar percentage in China by 2030. http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/11/politics/us-china-climate-change-agreement/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 This entire deal brings up two immediate questions: 1) Considering the growth in China and their need for energy, how is china ever going to hit this amount of CO2 reduction? Are they going to do some funny math and base it on reduction vs. "projected figures"? Or pull some other type of stunt to "meet" this objective. 2) Considering that Obama is facing stiff Republican opposition, and he can't exactly order the energy industry in the U.S. to reduce CO2 output... how is Obama going to kick off this initiative in the two years he has left. And will it survive at all after his presidency.
How come everybody else gets global warming? ; ) Nature turns up the heat just in time for G20 Date November 12, 2014 - 7:25PM Peter Hannam Environment Editor, The Sydney Morning Herald View more articles from Peter Hannam Follow Peter on Twitter Follow Peter on Google+ Email Peter Brisbane is about to broil - just in time for the G20. Photo: Glenn Hunt At this weekend's G20 summit, it may well be a case of "Don't mention the warmth!" Prime Minister Tony Abbott has done his level best to keep climate change off the G20 agenda for this weekend's leaders summit but it seems nature is going to have the final say. The heatwave that's been building for days across outback Australia will make a timely arrival across south-eastern Queensland from Friday until at least Monday. Friday sees things heating up around Brisbane. Photo: BoM The same searing heat will bring temperatures of 45 degrees or more in parts of NSW on Friday and send the mercury towards 40 degrees in parts of western Sydney. Sydney itself is forecast to cop a 35-degree maximum. Victoria gets its share of the warmth on Thursday with 34 degrees expected for Melbourne and 40 degrees in Mildura in the state's north-west. 'Extreme heatwave' Heatwave persists at 'extreme' level around Brisbane on Saturday. Photo: BoM According to the Bureau of Meteorology's pilot heatwave project – which measures heat extremes compared with preceding periods and historical data – areas around Brisbane will experience an "extreme heatwave" during the main meeting days of Saturday and Sunday. The mercury is forecast to reach 32 degrees on Friday in Brisbane before climbing to 35 on Saturday and 36 degrees on Sunday and Monday. The city's average maximum in November is 27.8 degrees. "The last time we had three days of 35 degrees in a row in Brisbane in November was in 1968," said Ben McBurney, a meteorologist with Weatherzone. "It's certainly earlier than we'd expect." Little relief for Sunday onwards. Photo: BoM Only the timing of a sea breeze on each day, particularly Saturday, is likely to prevent temperatures soaring, he said. Mr Abbott has sought to steer discussions at the G20 summit towards efforts to generate faster global growth, relegating climate issues to sessions dealing with energy efficiency. Setbacks The government's bid to avoid climate change had already suffered a setback with Wednesday's announcement that the US and China would both step up efforts curb carbon dioxide emissions in a bid to avoid climate change. Journalists are likely to press the Australian government for comments on its climate policies not least because of this week's breakdown in talks with Labor to cut the country's renewable energy target. Meteorologists and climate experts are, of course, wary of reading too much into any weather event. Still, it may be a nuance lost on delegates who stray far from their air-conditioned conference cocoons, hotel suites and limousines. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/w...me-for-g20-20141112-11lby3.html#ixzz3IsyURN12
Obama can promise China whatever. Its going to be undone and the US is going to proceed with sensible energy and emission policies. We've got coal so we are going to use it even if the EPA has to be completely dismantled.
China Sets Coal Consumption Standards For Power Plants September 30th, 2014 by Mridul Chadha China is taking serious initiatives to reduce dependence on coal as it looks ready to unleash unprecedented measures to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions. 2,000 MW Shentou Second Power Plant in Shuozhou, China The National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC) is spearheading efforts to reduce pollution from coal-fired power plants and has, in collaboration with the National Energy Administration and the Ministry of Environment Protection, issued coal consumption standards. The standards are part of China’s climate change plan for 2020. As part of the plan, 10 GW of inefficient coal-fired power plants will be closed while about 350 GW capacity will be required to improve operational efficiency. Additionally, new coal power plants will be have to restrict their average coal consumption to 310 grams per kWh of electricity generated. The limit for existing power plants will be 315 grams per kWh generated. These standards and measures are aimed at reducing the share of coal-based electricity to less than 62%. Coal-based power plants currently constitute 69% of China’s installed capacity. These new measures to reduce coal consumption at power plants are the latest in a long series of other initiatives. The NDRC has, in the past, directed all provinces to significantly reduce their coal consumption. It has divided China’s 2020 carbon intensity reduction targets among provinces to push them to take appropriate actions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Earlier this year, Beijing announced that consumption of coal will be fully banned in the city’s inner six districts, while it will be reduced by 80% in the outer ten districts by 2020. The ban also covers other fossil fuels such as fuel oil and coke. Beijing’s coal consumption in 2012 was around 27 million tonnes, providing for 25% of the city’s total energy consumption. The local government aims to reduce the consumption to less than 10 million tonnes by 2017. To help power producers make the source switch, the local government has offered subsidies for using natural gas to generate power. Beijing, in addition to six other jurisdictions, has an operational emissions trading scheme that covers more than 400 entities operating in the city. The scheme is reported to have been highly successful with almost 100% compliance rate reported during the first year. China aims to have a national-level emissions trading scheme operational before the end of the decade. The policy initiatives implemented by the Chinese authorities have yielded positive results. Between 2008 and 2013, the country managed to reduce its carbon intensity by 28.5% equivalent to 2.5 billion tonnes of CO2 emissions, the Chinese government had revealed earlier this month.