the temperature record the models are based on have not warmed for over 18 years. you are bringing the oceans into it but the oceans have been warming since the last ice age. there is no science saying co2 is warming the oceans... because the oceans off gas co2 when they warm...
Yes there is science showing that CO2 is warming both the air and the water. And you once again prove that you don't know what you are talking about. The oceans are ABSORBING the extra CO2 as temps rise. They are becoming more acidic because of it. Get a clue.
The Ocean Is Not Getting Acidified http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/27/the-ocean-is-not-getting-acidified/
Yes it most definitely is getting lower in PH. It is also gaining heat. Peer-reviewed skeptic papers by Willis Eschenbach This page lists any peer-reviewed papers by Willis Eschenbach that take a negative or explicitly doubtful position on human-caused global warming. There are no peer-reviewed climate papers by Willis Eschenbach that meet this definition. LOL Willis Eschenbach Credentials California Massage Certificate, Aames School of Massage, Oakland, CA. (1974). B.A., Psychology, Sonoma State University, Rohnert Park, CA. (1975). Source: [1] Background Willis Eschenbach has worked as a Construction Manager at Taunovo Bay Resort in Fiji Sport Fishing guide in Alaska and more recently as an Accounts/IT Senior Manager with South Pacific Oil. He is a blogger at climate change skeptic blog Watts Up With That (WUWT), and his work is often referenced by Steve McIntyre's Climate Audit. ******************************************************** In other words, once again, you idiot deniers are resorting to crap from unqualified hacks and LOLWUWT. But it's good enough for you. Too funny. You should be ashamed of yourself
So the bottom line is that you are unable to refute the information.... ... so you are just going to attack the author. Figures.
According to a much more recent study by NASA: GLOBAL WARMING HAS SLOWED IT IS A MYSTERY TO NASA WITH RESPECT TO WHY IT HAS SLOWED TEMP IN TOP HALF OF WORLD'S OCEANS ARE NOT CLIMBING FAST ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR STALLED AIR TEMPS WARMING IN DEEP OCEAN IS NOT CAUSING SEA LEVEL RISE WATER TEMP IN DEEP OCEAN HASN'T RISEN SINCE 2005 AIR TEMPERATURES HAVE STALLED
It is not "definitely" getting lower in pH. No one knows if it is getting lower or higher in pH over the period that ocean pH has been measured directly for the same reason that one can't measure directly the change in atmospheric CO2 due to man produced CO2. In both cases the size of the sought after changes are too small (so far) compared to the size of natural variation. There are not enough significant figures attainable in the experimental measurements to discern change due to man's activity from natural change. The oceans are basic. They are not getting more acid. They are getting more basic and less basic depending on time and where you measure. There are only two significant figures in any of these measurements. That's all that's possible with the current technology. Any change due to man would have to be in the first decimal place (less than 0.2 is projected by MODELS over a 100 years!, and lord knows we know how reliable they are!!!) and there is already error in the first decimal place of at least 0.1! So Stop this nonsense.
Nonsense, once again for the umpteenth time, you are wrong, much of the CO2 man is emitting is going into the oceans. That has to lower PH. You don't know much about basic science do you? Maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn? From wiki: Ocean acidification is the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans, caused by the uptake of carbon dioxide (CO2) from the atmosphere.[2] An estimated 30–40% of the carbon dioxide released by humans into the atmosphere dissolves into oceans, rivers and lakes.[3][4] To achieve chemical equilibrium, some of it reacts with the water to form carbonic acid. Some of these extra carbonic acidmolecules react with a water molecule to give a bicarbonate ion and a hydronium ion, thus increasing ocean "acidity" (H+ ion concentration). Between 1751 and 1994 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.25 to 8.14,[5] representing an increase of almost 30% in H+ ion concentration in the world's oceans.[6][7] Earth System Models project that within the last decade ocean acidity exceeded historical analogs[8] and in combination with other ocean biogeochemical changes could undermine the functioning of marine ecosystems and many ocean goods and services.[9] Increasing acidity is thought to have a range of possibly harmful consequences, such as depressing metabolic rates and immune responses in some organisms, and causing coral bleaching. This also causes decreasing oxygen levels as it kill off algae. Other chemical reactions are triggered which result in a net decrease in the amount of carbonate ions available. This makes it more difficult for marine calcifying organisms, such as coral and some plankton, to form biogeniccalcium carbonate, and such structures become vulnerable to dissolution.[10] Ongoing acidification of the oceans threatens food chains connected with the oceans.[11][12] As members of theInterAcademy Panel, 105 science academies have issued a statement on ocean acidification recommending that by 2050, global CO2emissions be reduced by at least 50% compared to the 1990 level.[13]
Well I'll grant this, if the ocean consisted of distilled water at constant temperature in a quartz vessel you'd be right! But in fact the ocean is buffered and not at constant temperature. Its composite pH over miniscule periods of geological time is remarkably constant, and does not appear to be at all affected by changes in atmospheric CO2 content over such brief periods. Any tiny changes in pH would, in any case, be experimentally obliterated by measurement imprecision. That seems to be the case even with pH challenging phenomena, e.g., undersea volcanic eruptions, etc. being present. But i will take the estimated, , change in ocean pH from 1751 to 1994 under advisement.