Increases in CO2 - Causes Cooling

Discussion in 'Politics' started by jem, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. jem

    jem

    fraudcurrents you were correct for once, my chart was older than your chart... but here is a chart from your al gore paid for blog... which explains to of the myraid ways they try to calculate ocean heat.

    Of course the al gore guy does not like the choice of trend.


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    #1091     Oct 9, 2014
  2. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    NASA FINDS:
    1. GLOBAL WARMING HAS SLOWED
    2. IT IS A MYSTERY TO NASA WITH RESPECT TO WHY IT HAS SLOWED
    3. TEMP IN TOP HALF OF WORLD'S OCEANS ARE NOT CLIMBING FAST ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR STALLED AIR TEMPS
    4. WARMING IN DEEP OCEAN IS NOT CAUSING SEA LEVEL RISE
    5. WATER TEMP IN DEEP OCEAN HASN'T RISEN SINCE 2005
    6. AIR TEMPERATURES HAVE STALLED
     
    #1092     Oct 9, 2014
  3. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    A MORE RECENT STUDY BY NASA FINDS:

    1. GLOBAL WARMING HAS SLOWED
    2. IT IS A MYSTERY TO NASA WITH RESPECT TO WHY IT HAS SLOWED
    3. TEMP IN TOP HALF OF WORLD'S OCEANS ARE NOT CLIMBING FAST ENOUGH TO ACCOUNT FOR STALLED AIR TEMPS
    4. WARMING IN DEEP OCEAN IS NOT CAUSING SEA LEVEL RISE
    5. WATER TEMP IN DEEP OCEAN HASN'T RISEN SINCE 2005
    6. AIR TEMPERATURES HAVE STALLED
     
    #1093     Oct 9, 2014
  4. So what? AGW is still a fact and huge problem that is going to get much worse unless we change our ways.

    And global warming has not slowed, it is speeding up. The heat is going into the oceans.

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    #1094     Oct 9, 2014
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum


    "BULLSHIT!!"
     
    #1095     Oct 9, 2014
  6. Oh and it's not a mystery why it slowed. The heat went into the oceans. The author of the article is wrong and does not speak for the scientists who know the heat went into the oceans. Although there is the possibility aerosols have also reduced solar gain.

    One thing is for sure. CO2 has not suddenly changed it's physical greenhouse gas properties and CO2 levels are still going up. Ever faster.
     
    #1096     Oct 9, 2014
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    #1097     Oct 9, 2014
  8. jem

    jem

    Using that data Mauna Loa co2 monthly data...

    you can see that Change in Ocean temps leads change in co2 levels by one year.
    the oceans are warming and chaning the co2 levels. We also see co2 lags land temps too.





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    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658

    Abstract
    Using data series on atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperatures we investigate the phase relation (leads/lags) between these for the period January 1980 to December 2011. Ice cores show atmospheric CO2 variations to lag behind atmospheric temperature changes on a century to millennium scale, but modern temperature is expected to lag changes in atmospheric CO2, as the atmospheric temperature increase since about 1975 generally is assumed to be caused by the modern increase in CO2. In our analysis we use eight well-known datasets: 1) globally averaged well-mixed marine boundary layer CO2 data, 2) HadCRUT3 surface air temperature data, 3) GISS surface air temperature data, 4) NCDC surface air temperature data, 5) HadSST2 sea surface data, 6) UAH lower troposphere temperature data series, 7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2, and 8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions. Annual cycles are present in all datasets except 7) and 8), and to remove the influence of these we analyze 12-month averaged data. We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8), but with changes in CO2 always lagging changes in temperature. The maximum positive correlation between CO2 and temperature is found for CO2 lagging 11–12 months in relation to global sea surface temperature, 9.5–10 months to global surface air temperature, and about 9 months to global lower troposphere temperature. The correlation between changes in ocean temperatures and atmospheric CO2 is high, but do not explain all observed changes.
     
    #1098     Oct 9, 2014
  9. fhl

    fhl

    The bogus, thoroughly debunked theory that just won't die.
    Global warming.
     
    #1099     Oct 9, 2014
  10. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    You know they say. You can't fix stupid.
     
    #1100     Oct 9, 2014