Income gap widens between rich & poor

Discussion in 'Economics' started by peilthetraveler, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. Well first off, it doesn’t matter if you’re the best janitor in the world, if your employer doesn’t give a crap about you, your getting paid just enough so you don’t quit. Even then there’s no guarantees you won’t be insourced or outsourced to save a buck for the bottom line. No I was just using title based compensation as an example. Obviously in a Socialistic system, higher qualified people will still get paid more. I'm just pointing how stupid these Republican slogans are about "running out of other people's money to spend." You know, as if the gov is just gonna hand us all checks from the rich no matter what we do. Do you think that’s the way it works in Cuba? You think the gov there gives everybody the same money regardless of how well they did their job?

    I worked for the federal government a few months ago on a temp job. We all got paid the same and there was really no room for advancement. In fact for the most part we were kept in the dark about things. Personally I thought I did a little better job than most just because it was sort of in an area I was familiar with. I wasn’t the best either. But you know what? We all pretty much did our jobs the best and fastest we could. You want to know why? Because we were told that if you didn’t, you’re getting fired. And a few people were. Almost everyday they were on us about this or that and they sure kept us inline. We were also on the honor system about our time clock, but you can bet nobody there was fudging their numbers because we knew they were watching. So I ask you, how would a Socialist system be any different?
     
    #51     Sep 29, 2009
  2. aegis

    aegis

    I'm close to that age bracket (25), but I think you must to realize that nearly half of those in that particular age bracket (18-24) are in college these days. There was never any need for me to work in college, because I actually qualified for more financial aid if I didn't work.

    I know it's ass-backwards, but it's a fact. I think it's fair to say that nearly half of that particular demographic simply are not seeking employment or only part-time employment. Granted, there should be more decent paying jobs for those who choose not to go to college, and most jobs should not require a degree but some type of professional certification or license instead.
     
    #52     Sep 29, 2009
  3. #53     Sep 29, 2009
  4. Spoken like a true baby boomer. All the statistics, evidence, everything points to how difficult it is for the under 30 crowd to get ahead and yet you still use catchy phrases like “This country is full of opportunity if you will get off your ass and go get it.”

    Of course it’s still full of opportunity, it’s just shrinking year after year. Whereas in your generation out of 10 people, maybe 1 is rich, 3 are ok, 4 are gonna make it, and 2 are I guess what you guys like to call “losers.” In my generation maybe 1 is rich and the other 9 are barely making it because we are paying for your messed up trade deficit, corporate profits, bailouts, social security, medicare, and that nice 11 trillion dollar credit card bill you guys have left us. Then you turn around and talk about how we just don’t work hard enough for it. And even though we still do have a better standard of living than others in this world, unless something changes very soon, there’s no doubt that for the first time since the founding of this country, the next generation will have a lower standard of living than the previous.

    BTW I don’t deliver pizza anymore. I got a career job that I was pretty lucky to get.
     
    #54     Sep 29, 2009
  5. clacy

    clacy

    Sorry, not a Boomer. I'm 34 and I make a great living, doing something that I can't really say I like, but I work my ass off and make it happen.

    I'm glad to hear you have found a career. In this economy, it's great having any job at all.

    Learn, give your best effort and stay at whatever it is that you now do, and I will guarantee you'll be able to get ahead in life.

    AND YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE.
     
    #55     Sep 29, 2009
  6. It's a BIG problem. One aspect... productivity.

    Remember how GreenScam was always harping on how "increased productivity" was contributing to our prosperity? Well, that's backfired. Where we used to have 10 people working in a plant or a mill, we now have 1 person and a big machine. What's to be done with the 9 displaced workers?

    When outsourcing and globalization brought 500 million peasant farmers into the cities to do manufacturing and provide services, we REALLY shot ourselves in the foot.

    The only REAL opportunities for most young people are the high-end ones... not so many of those types of jobs and they require much more time in school.

    I sympathize with young people today. I honestly feel that good opportunities are much harder to come by today, and many people will suffer lifelong frustration at never getting much above a minimum wage type of job.

    :(
     
    #56     Sep 29, 2009
  7. TGregg

    TGregg

    Incorrect. Well, maybe unintended to some. But you know the power brokers in the DNC know which side of their bread is buttered. A happy, employed, productive citizenry does not need big government handouts. People barely scrapping by with a couple family members who are unemployed make great voters for the Great Society. People on the welfare roles make excellent class warfare victims, and since they have nothing to do all day can vote more. Several times, even.

    WTF would liberals want to get people jobs? Then they'd have things like self respect and a general distrust of government. Much better from their POV to keep people dependent on government.
     
    #57     Sep 29, 2009
  8. Exactly. Just like how the Community Reinvestment Act caused this whole financial meltdown because the governent forced the banks to lend to poor black people. Oh wait a minute, 80% of all sub prime loans were given by financial institutions with little or no regulation by the CRA. Whhaaaaaaat?!?! Yea look it up.
     
    #58     Sep 29, 2009



  9. Stephan, you have a good argument for some things. But Cuba is different, not the good comparison because of the convertible peso. This convertible peso money is not what is paid for a job by government. That is regular peso. And that convertible peso can buy things a regular peso can not. It has much more value. So if the Cuban person work in the tourist business, like bartender, maid, waiter, waitress, prostitute , taxi driver and make tips in convertible peso, sometime they can buy more than the doctor. That is all I want to say, no more.
    But I think you have good points in your other argument.
     
    #59     Sep 29, 2009
  10. new$

    new$

    Didn't we export the middle class standard of living when we exported the design, engineering and production of manufacturing ?
     
    #60     Sep 29, 2009