incel danielson brings bear spray to a gunfight.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by destriero, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    So the spray appeared to form normally and a moment later the shot.

    You are as biased as fuck. Stop it with the pretending you are some balanced observer.

    You have spent your online life exaggerating and stating your brain farts as fact as often as you are allowed get away with it. This is because you don't really experience shame when wrong like I or others do.

    I took the time to look, I reported what I saw and you breathlessly distort this.

    The report will show more detail however don't count on Portland police. In 2019 they somehow exonerated a lieutenant who was sharing information by text with Joey Gibson in PP including warning that there was an arrest warrant out for one of them. This kind of thing not cleared by the top brass looks terrible.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/news/201...ayers-joey-gibson-before-during-protests.html
     
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    #41     Sep 1, 2020
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So you are denying all the news media reports that one bullet hit a bear mace can that was on the victims body, and not in his hand?

    Show us in the slow motion video where a bear mace can is in the victims hand.
     
    #42     Sep 1, 2020
  3. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    You are doing your thing where you quote reports you don't link to.

    Link please.
     
    #43     Sep 1, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Another first had witness account..... from the guy who was directly there with the victim.

    Portland fatal shooting victim's friend: ‘They executed my partner. They hunted him down'
    ‘They executed my partner. They hunted him down,’ Chandler Pappas said
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-fatal-shooting

    The friend of a man gunned down Saturday in Portland amid a riot said his pal - whose picture was released Monday by police - was "executed" and "hunted down" for his conservative views.

    Chandler Pappas told The Common Sense Converstive that he was with Aaron "Jay" Danielson -- the shooting victim identified by Patriot Prayer founder Joey Gibson -- as part the right-wing group in downtown Portland on Saturday. A massive pro-Trump caravan drove through the city as counterprotesters gathered for the 95th consecutive day to voice anger over police brutality and racial injustice.

    The two groups quickly clashed in tense confrontations that escalated into violence.

    "We have a First Amendment in the country," Pappas told the news site. "And for whatever reason, there seems to be this opposition that thinks we can't do that. They have been attacking us for years. Really for decades in the grand scheme of things but very heavily in Portland."

    Video posted on social media showed a person suddenly dropping to the ground, and others rushing to assist, after what appears to be gunfire near an intersection as vehicles and pedestrians pass by. Pappas said he and Danielson were at the protest when someone recognized their Patriot Prayer caps.

    "'We got a couple of them right here. Pull it out,'" the attackers said, according to Pappas.

    The shooter then opened fire and ran off, he said.

    "It takes a second for you to process everything that happened. 'Did he just shoot at me?'" Pappas said while standing in front of a Blue Lives Matter flag. "I'm OK. I turn over and Jay's dead because he believed something different. Jay's not a racist, a xenophobe or whatever. He's not an 'ist' or 'ism.'"

    "They executed my partner," he said. "They hunted him down."

    Members of Patriot Prayer and Antifa have repeatedly clashed in Portland in recent years with many confrontations turning violent.

    Portland police are investigating Michael Forest Reinoehl, 48, for his alleged involvement in the fatal shooting. The Oregon State Medical Examiner's Office determined Danielson's manner of death was homicide and that died from a gunshot to the chest.

    Pappas said the shooter was wearing all white, which stood out, he noted, because members of Antifa are primarily known to be dressed in black.

    He believes the shooting was done at random, but that the attackers were looking "for somebody to hurt."

    "I think the two of us alone away from all the rest of the Trump rally with all the trucks and all the other noise going on, I think they isolated us and they thought they could get away with it," he said. "I think they were looking for somebody just like us who were down there unprotected who didn't go and bring guns because we didn't have the intention of killing people."

    The Portland Tribune reported that it interviewed Pappas and Danielson hours before the fatal shooting. The report said both men were armed with at least one paintball gun, knives, mace and other tactical gear. It was not clear if they had those items on them at the time of the shooting.

    In a plea to Trump, Pappas asked him to send "troops" to Portland in an effort to quell the violence that has occurred nightly, resulting in shootings, arson, vandalism and assaults against protesters and authorities. Trump has repeatedly threatened to intervene if local leaders don't address the growing unrest in the city.

    In response to the shooting, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, announced the state police would be returning to Portland to assist local law enforcement.

    During his interview, Pappas also noted what he believes is a difference in the treatment of protesters and Patriot Prayer members by local prosecutors.

    "I have a friend sitting right behind here who is being charged currently with a felony riot while the DA [Multnomah County District Attorney's Office] is letting all these actual rioters out on the street and he was just out there waving an American flag," he said.
     
    #44     Sep 1, 2020
  5. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    "on the victims body", I can't see mention of this in that G.
     
    #45     Sep 1, 2020
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Why aren't cops held to this standard when shooting someone who's reaching?
     
    #46     Sep 1, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Watch the slow motion video --- the victim did not reach for anything. The shooter stepped up and just gunned the victim down as he was walking.
     
    #47     Sep 1, 2020
  8. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Again,

    "
    gwb-trading said:
    So you are denying all the news media reports that one bullet hit a bear mace can that was on the victims body, and not in his hand?"

    Where are these please?
     
    #48     Sep 1, 2020
  9. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Right, so we have nothing from @gwb-trading to back up his assertion "all the news media reports that one bullet hit a bear mace can that was on the victims body"

    I loaded the video on my deck, converted to uncompressed etc. and did my best to reconcile the two sources using what I know.

    It comes down to fractions of a second difference in timing and video/audio artifacts etc. When one syncs the video and audio to eliminate the travel time of the sound, the chain of events appears different to the 1/16th video.

    Without the original footage from both sources and the devices to examine AV lag, compression artifacts, noise cancellation algo peculiarities, keyframe settings and whole bunch more, my read is audios (using both recordings) and visual back up a release of gas before the gunshot.

    Its just what it seems to me, its possible just seems unlikely the bullet penetrated the canister in such a way it began to vent and then explosively failed, just I lean toward it was spraying and got shot as its mechanically more likely to me.

    We need the full analysis and hopefully some security footage.

    In the meantime.

    https __i.pinimg.com_originals_8f_e0_5d_8fe05d98693ec031856f6ebc5b87003f.gif
     
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    #49     Sep 1, 2020
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes... yet it was your earlier post which stated 'a bullet struck the "bear mace can, the other hits him in the chest"'

    Can you show me a single video frame frozen that shows the victim with anything in his hand. Just looking for one frame. If you have all of this advanced equipment it should be easy enough to find just one frame showing the guy with an object in his hand.
     
    #50     Sep 1, 2020