inca rates

Discussion in 'Retail Brokers' started by kevin hawkins, Mar 13, 2002.

  1. are any firms out there lowering inca rates?? yesterday, inca reduced the cost to direct access firms by 60%..see the website .
     
  2. kevin hawkins,

    Instinet is lowering their rates because they are losing ECN market share to ISLD & REDI.Their fees are 3 times(or higher) what other ECN's charge introducing brokers. It may take a while for the retail firms to get the price break and pass lower
    costs to the trader. If you are trading 500 shares or less, I see no
    reason to use INCA. INCA is slower than ISLD or REDI and unless you are an intstitutional trader, you probably would not do much
    trading on INCA. The cost structure and speed of ISLD & REDI, make these ECN's a better choice for the trader.



    Gene Weissman
    Lieber & Weissman Sec., L.L.C.
    gweissman@stocktrade.net
     
  3. From INCA's site:

    Instinet has increased the rebate for broker-dealers that provide liquidity to $0.002 per share from $.0005 per share, a 300% increase. The charge for taking liquidity remains at $0.003 per share. With these new rates, the cost for a customer who provides and takes liquidity in equal amounts will now be only $0.0005 cents per share, or 50 cents per 1,000 shares.

    My computation is .003 - .002 = .001, not .0005.
    Isn't the cost .001 for providing/taking liquidity in equal amounts?
     
  4. esc_trader,

    I think the problem with INCA is their high rates (to Introducing Brokers-IB's) compared to ISLD for example. INCA may charge IB's .0050 to .015(example only-check with your IB for rates) , compared to .0025 for ISLD. Instinet also charges extra for a INCA terminal to see depth of book. I can see depth of book for nothing on ISLD! Since Intstinet has acquired Pro-Trader I think they are seeing that they priced themselves out of
    the direct access market(little guy) and let REDI/ISLD take ECN market share. I'm sure most of the NASDAQ traders at Pro Trader use ISLD or REDI unless Instinet has reduced their rates and and increased their ECN's speed/connectivity. I think the liquidity rebate is a help , but there are other issues that need to be resolved before INCA will stop losing more ECN market share.


    Gene Weissman
    Lieber & Weissman Sec., L.L.C.
    gweissman@stocktrade.net
     
  5. Don't know what the deal is with INCA and IB, but IB does not charge ANY PASSTHROUGH for ANY route.

    I doubt they are losing money on the INCA trades.

    PS. INCA has been overcharging for an antiquated system for many years. I'm surprised they are still in business.
     
  6. stock777,

    Like IB & Bright, we include INCA in our fees with no pass thru's added. I just gave the INCA pass thru's as an example.If you check the majority of NASDAQ direct access firms in the Elite Broker section, the majority of firms add INCA as a pass thru. IB
    will probably get charged by INCA but not add the pass thru charges to the rates. Regardless of INCA fees, ISLD & REDI work see to work better for small orders. ISLD can execute odd lot NASDAQ orders very quickly. Having an Instinet terminal can be an
    advantage to Market Makers or Institutional traders but for the customer the expense of an INCA terminal is probably not worth it.



    Gene Weissman
    Lieber & Weissman Sec., L.L.C.
    gweissman@stocktrade.net
     
  7. def

    def Interactive Brokers

    part of inca's price schedule is volume dependent. they will charge lower fees for higher volume. Nevertheless, they are more expensive and their price change was long overdue. Perhaps a bit of too little too late.

    The full press release:

    New York, March 12 (Bloomberg) -- Instinet Group Inc. slashed
    its fees for trades in Nasdaq-listed stocks by 60 percent to lure
    more business after rival Island ECN Inc. cut its prices last
    month.
    Instinet's electronic trading system, used mostly by hedge
    funds, mutual funds and brokerages, also lowered fees on exchange-
    traded funds, the company said.
    ``Price has asserted itself as a significant concern for
    broker-dealers,'' said Doug Atkin, Instinet's president and chief
    executive officer, in a press release.
    The price reductions come four months after Island surpassed
    Instinet as the No. 1 market for Nasdaq stock trades. Island is
    also the biggest market for exchange-traded funds based on the
    Nasdaq 100 Index, one of the most heavily traded securities.
    Instinet, a unit of Reuters Group Plc, will now rebate to
    customers who post offers to buy or sell shares on its system --
    known as ``liquidity providers'' -- 20 cents per 100 shares. They
    must trade at least 500,000 shares monthly, as the majority of
    Instinet's customers do.
    Previously, for customers who posted bids and offers, the ECN
    awarded credits on future trades of 5 cents per 100 shares. The
    credits were awarded only to investors who traded at least 75
    million shares a month on Instinet -- a small fraction of its
    customers.

    Exchange-Traded Funds

    For traders on Instinet who respond to posted offers and bids
    -- so-called liquidity takers -- it now costs 30 cents per 100
    shares. Instinet charges 75 cents per 100 shares if the customer
    trades less than 500,0000 shares a month. Previously, most
    customers paid between 40 cents and $1.50 per 100 shares when they
    responded to a posted offer. The cost depended on how much
    business they did with Instinet. The few customers who traded at
    least 75 million shares a month paid 30 cents per 100 share.
    Instinet also slashed its prices on exchange-traded funds.
    Investors who post offers to buy or sell ETFs on Instinet will get
    rebates of 15 cents per 100 shares. Investors who trade with those
    offers will be charged 19 cents per 100 shares. Previously,
    investors paid up to $1.00 per 100 shares, whether they were
    posting an offer or trading with it.
    Shares of Instinet fell 49 cents, or 6 percent to $7.64. The
    stock has fallen 46 percent since it went public last May.