In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    If you read the article you will note that they occurred weeks before. Before the chart begins.

    Florida's portal data is reported by date of death. Which is how it should be reported.
     
    #771     Jul 27, 2020
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You do realize that Florida refuse to reveal both the date of death and reported date on individual COVID deaths. Can you tell us why the DeSantis administration refused to reveal this information (provided by nearly all the other states).

    Instead the DeSantis administration only provides a misleading chart in their portal which appears to show that deaths are always declining. At this point it has become a sick joke -- with even the media in Florida pointing out how depraved it is.
     
    #772     Jul 27, 2020
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Please provide the "nearly all the other states" that provide date of death and reported date on COVID deaths. I'm assuming since you claim it so openly, you must have a source list. I'm genuinely interested in seeing this list - because if Florida is essentially the only state not doing this and everyone else is, I'll have a problem with it.

    Its not a sick joke when media outlets in Florida are using it for their reference and not the butt of a joke.
     
    #773     Jul 27, 2020
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Open Testing = More positive cases (including asymptomatics) = more panic. Right.

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    #774     Jul 27, 2020
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Actually let's quote again what the Miami Herald stated -
    "COVID tracker: For a daily update on COVID-19 numbers in Florida that doesn’t rely only on the Florida Department of Health check out the Miami Herald’s COVID-19 tracker here"

    The media in Florida do not trust the data offered from the Florida Department of Health (DeSantis portal).

    Once again.... Florida is just about the only state who has refused to provide the data to university medical researchers (because they would validate it) and cut off data to first responders for periods of time.

    The DeSantis administration has done everything possible to be less than transparent about COVID information in Florida.
     
    #775     Jul 27, 2020
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So you don't have a list of "almost all of the states" that do this, then? Color me shocked.
     
    #776     Jul 27, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Still waiting on Sweden's finalized government Q2 GDP, employment, and other economic figures. The 2020 chart figures below are forecasts. Here is one corporate view of the economic situation in Sweden...

    Swedish companies reap benefits of country’s Covid-19 approach
    Better than expected numbers suggests no-lockdown strategy helped business
    https://www.ft.com/content/f7be28a0-ba3c-49d2-ab0c-09c932f32901

    It was supposed to be a terrible start to the summer. As a debate rages in Sweden over whether its lighter-touch approach to managing coronavirus has been the correct course, most European analysts were braced for dreadful quarterly earnings from the Scandinavian country during the height of the pandemic.

    But every day for the past two weeks, Swedish company after Swedish company has beaten expectations.

    From telecoms equipment maker Ericsson to consumer appliances manufacturer Electrolux via lender Handelsbanken and lockmaker Assa Abloy, Swedish companies have delivered profits well above what the market was expecting, even if in some cases that merely meant a less precipitous decline than analysts had feared.

    “I have never seen such a high proportion of companies coming in with better profits than expected. It’s almost every company,” said Esbjorn Lundevall, chief equity strategist at lender SEB.

    The bumper crop begs the question of how many of the positive surprises are due to Sweden’s more controversial approach to managing coronavirus. Unlike the rest of Europe and North America, the country did not have a lockdown and kept schools and many shops and businesses open — a public health experiment that has attracted global scrutiny and drawn both praise and censure.

    “Keeping society open, schools open, doesn’t mean that we haven’t been hit. But it does mean that we haven’t suddenly not been able to leave our homes. That has undoubtedly helped companies,” Alrik Danielson, chief executive of Swedish bearings manufacturer SKF, told the FT.

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    The Gothenburg-based group has kept its offices in Sweden open throughout the crisis and expects workers to come in unless they are ill. Its second-quarter underlying operating profits in the three months to June fell by almost half compared with a year ago but were still a third ahead of analyst expectations.

    (More at above url)
     
    #777     Jul 27, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden can't say this...

    How Norway reduced new Covid-19 infections amongst over-90s to zero
    https://www.thelocal.no/20200727/how-norway-reduced-new-covid-19-infections-amongst-over-90s-to-zero

    Nobody over the age of 90 in Norway has tested positive for coronavirus during the last month.

    Good routines at care homes in the country could be an important factor in the positive statistic, newspaper VG reports.

    On June 24th, 125 people over the age of 90 were registered as having tested positive for Covid-19. The figure is the same one month later, according to Norwegian Institute of Public Health (NIPH) figures.

    “There have been fewer cases in all age groups including the oldest. Less virus spread in general will also result in fewer elderly people being infected,” Tone Bruun, NIPH’s consultant doctor for infectious disease prevention and vaccines, told VG.

    Bruun noted that the chance of the virus entering a care home is lower when few staff and visitors are infected.

    But other factors may also have played a part in keeping the virus away from over-90s.

    “There is also better tracking, testing, tracing, isolation and quarantine so that the virus is stopped from spreading in time. Better routines at many care homes can be a contributing factor,” she said.

    Recent weeks have seen Norway begin to allow leisure travel to many European countries, although Friday saw restrictions reintroduced for travellers from Spain.

    New data from NIPH shows that the proportion of Norwegian coronavirus cases who were infected abroad increased from 11 in the week commencing July 6th to 29 in the subsequent week, VG reported last week.

    Of these, almost all infection were registered as taking place in a “red country” – a country to which the Norwegian foreign ministry advises against non-essential travel. One infection was registered in a “green” country.

    “Recommendations on quarantine, testing and other follow-up ensure that these cases have less chance of further spread, including in care homes and the rest of the health service,” Bruun said.

    Regarding predictions that Norway could experience a second wave of infections in the autumn, Bruun told VG this was a possibility.

    “Sporadic increases in cases can be expected through the late summer and autumn in connection with local outbreaks and clusters. Increased travel activity looks to be giving some increased import during the summer. There may also be a new national wave in the autumn or winter, when people will stay indoors more again,” the expert said.

    “To limit such an outbreak, it remains important for us to follow general virus safety guidelines and stay home when we are sick, have good hygiene and stay distance from everyone other than our loved ones,” she said.
     
    #778     Jul 27, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    An update from state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell -- who spends his time trying to promote Sweden's response as a success.

    Sweden Unveils ‘Promising’ Covid-19 Data as New Cases Plunge
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-promising-covid-19-data-as-new-cases-plunge

    As other countries face renewed outbreaks, Sweden’s latest Covid-19 figures suggest it’s rapidly bringing the virus under control.

    “That Sweden has come down to these levels is very promising,” state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told reporters in Stockholm on Tuesday.

    Since hitting a peak in late June, Sweden’s infection rate has fallen sharply, according to the Health Agency of Sweden. That’s amid an increase in testing over the period. “The curves are going down and the curves for the seriously ill are beginning to approach zero,” Tegnell said.

    The development follows months of controversy over Sweden’s decision to avoid a full lockdown. The unusual strategy coincided with a much higher Covid-19 mortality rate than elsewhere in the Nordic region. Per 100,000, Swedish deaths even exceeded those in the U.S. and Brazil.

    On Tuesday, Sweden reported two new deaths, bringing the total to 5,702.

    Masks
    Tegnell also broached the subject of face masks, which the World Health Organization recommends people use when social distancing isn’t possible.

    “With numbers diminishing very quickly in Sweden, we see no point in wearing a face mask in Sweden, not even on public transport,” he said.

    Tegnell has consistently argued that Sweden’s approach is more sustainable than the sudden lockdowns imposed elsewhere. With the risk that Covid-19 might be around for years, he says completely shutting down society isn’t a long-term option.

    Meanwhile, many countries that thought they’d brought the virus under control are now seeing second waves. Tegnell called those developments “worrying.”

    “The positive trend is reversing, with an increase in the number of cases in Spain, Romania and Belgium, among others,” he said.
     
    #779     Jul 28, 2020
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Sweden is likely very close to, or at, herd immunity on this strain in my opinion.
     
    #780     Jul 28, 2020