Context defined by you. Compare Sweden to New York City, Italy or most of Europe and they're doing far better. Sweden is the benchmark because they never locked down. We were told by all the hysterical quacks the world would end and body bags would be littered on every street corner if we didn't board up the country. As you can see by Sweden, this never happened. Sweden's death count is next to nothing now. With no lockdown. Yes they had more deaths then neighbouring countries but far fewer the NYC Italy and other European countries who did lockdown.
The numbers are the numbers unless you can say Sweden is overstated, then they have 10X the deaths per million of their neighbors.
Wilful ignorance is no excuse. Yes Dr Sikora really said it in the podcast and yes "the sun" was accurate in its reporting . half the death numbers are faked. No wonder people are so ignorant in this forum
Numbers are flawed everywhere these days. I merely stated that what is happening in one place can easily be possible in another, especially if the financial incentives to pad the numbers are the same.
Even if numbers are "flawed", Florida/Texas can't go 100+ deaths a day for weeks without it changing the data and related points. It actually hardy matters any more if the data is "flawed" because the scale of the problem is far bigger by many factors. For example, a month of 100+ deaths is 3000-5000 deaths. That start's to change the overall numbers quite a bit. And at this point, we may very well see that as the number. What's done is done all that can be done is react decisively now. My opinion, it will all be clear in a year, treatments will exist and life will be fully back to normal. The test of who did a good job with the virus and who made the best educated guesses will be reflected in the final numbers. We can't bring back the dead, but we can start programs and provide subsidies for those who have been hit hard by the shutdown. Here for example anyone who had a severe reduction in their income received $2000 per month ( every family member ) during this crisis. This was actually more money then what some people made working.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...hows-swedens-covid-approach-could-have-right/ Spain's experience shows that Sweden's Covid approach could have been right all along At the end of this we may well conclude that countries which attempted total suppression of the virus killed their economies for zero gain ROSS CLARK27 July 2020 • 12:51pm So, what was the point of incarcerating los Ninos for six weeks? Of all the countries which have imposed lockdown on their citizens, none approached the matters with as much enthusiasm as did Spain. Outdoor exercise was banned, citizens were fined if their dared visit the second-closest pharmacy to their homes and children were allowed no excuse to be out of doors at all. The police set about enforcing the rules with a zealousness matched only by the French: in one town a group of residents were seized upon for trying to get around the ‘no exercise’ rule by taking the same dog for multiple walks. If lockdown was going to work anywhere it should have been Spain. Instead, yesterday it suffered the ignominy of being removed from the list of destinations from which returning UK citizens are excused from having to quarantine – catching even the transport secretary, Grant Shapps, unaware. A spike in new infections has led to Barcelona being put back into lockdown, with four millions residents ordered once again to remain at home for all but essential trips. How many times does Spain want to repeat the experiment in mass imprisonment of the population before we realise there really isn’t much point in trying to suppress Covid-19 for ever after? We shouldn't be surprised if what is happening in Spain now is repeated here in a few weeks’ time if a yet-to-materialise upward twitch in new cases leads to lockdown fetishists telling us "look, we warned you what would happen if you reopened the pubs" and a return to panic in the ranks of government. Before Grant Shapps is due to be allowed out of doors again with his fading tan we might all be ordered back inside. That is the logic once you establish a policy which puts suppression of a virus above all other economic and social concerns. Once you make a god out of the R-number there is no way out, short of what may well turn out to be an elusive vaccine. Do we want to suppress our lives for a year, five years, 10 years – or even decades, as Sage member Sir Jeremy Farrar suggested last week as a lifespan of the Covid-19 crisis? There is, and always was, another way: that followed by Sweden (and initially in Britain, too, however much the government now tries to deny it), where it is accepted that Covid-19 will inevitably find some way of working its way through the human population – and that we control it rather than try to stop it, relying on herd immunity eventually to frustrate it. Sweden has earned widespread condemnation for its approach. Even Donald Trump – yes, he who at first called Covid-19 a "hoax" – has claimed that the Scandinavian country was being irresponsible in not ordering a full lockdown. US newspapers and magazines have been full of headlines to the tune of “Sweden – the experiment that failed”. Norway has refused to reopen its borders to Swedes. I don’t doubt there some Sweden-critics, too, among the Southern European countries who at last week’s EU summit demanded Sweden bails out their cratered economies. Yet as Spain’s experience shows, it is far too early to declare the Swedish experiment a failure. Indeed, many "lockdown countries" like Spain, Italy and Britain already have higher death rates than Sweden. At the end of this we may well look back and conclude the virus ended up doing what it was always going to do – kill a small but fairly consistent percentage of citizens across all countries – and that countries which attempted total suppression of the virus killed their economies for zero gain.
Just rubbish repeated ad nuseum, Sweden would have numbers comparable to Norway, Finland had it locked down. As the year progresses and therapeutics are coming along well the numbers will never meet.
Notice the numbers for the two totals don't add up at all. When Florida releases numbers showing both the reporting date and date of death for each individual death is the day when the state will have any credibility -- so far the DeSantis administration refused to do this. They simply want to create "date of death" charts in their portal that always show the recent numbers declining --- except 14 days later the re-adjusted numbers for the same dates are usually 8 to 20 times higher.