In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden's confirmed COVID-19 cases surpass 70,000
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ed-covid-19-cases-surpass-70000-idUSKBN2431SK

    Sweden’s number of confirmed COVID-19 crossed the 70,000 mark on Thursday, while deaths rose by 41 to 5,411, health agency statistics showed on Thursday.

    Sweden recorded 947 new cases to put the total at 70,639. Expanded testing has seen daily new cases soar over the past month, eclipsing rates elsewhere in the European Union, but deaths and hospitalisations have tumbled from peaks in April.

    The country adopted a softer approach to fighting the new coronavirus, spurning a hard lock down and putting its pandemic strategy in the international spotlight.

    Sweden’s death toll has been many times higher relative to the size of the population than that of its Nordic neighbours, where authorities took a stricter approach, but lower than in some countries that locked down, such as Britain, Italy and Spain.
     
    #501     Jul 2, 2020
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So it is better than some, worse than others. Wonderful "news".
     
    #502     Jul 2, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden, not the US, is the #COVID-19 disaster
    https://www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2020/06/30/sweden-not-the-us-is-the-covid-19-disaster/

    Trump haters claim the US is the hardest hit country in the world, and COVID-19 deniers claim Sweden proved the shutdown did no good, writes TakeBack.org Executive Director John Pudner.

    Both claims are absurd, and can only be held by one who acts like a lawyer who cherry picks google searches to try to build a case versus anyone who examines the facts like a doctor. They examine all facts to determine the best conclusion for their patients.

    An honest assessment of facts would start by determining the Covid-19 death rate per capita compared to how many people in each country have pre-existing conditions that would make deaths more likely.

    This sheet compares how many deaths each country would expect to have based on the percent of their residents that have diabetes and/or are obese. These are the two most common preconditions. Then the sheet compares that to the actual per capita deaths caused by COVID-19 as of 25 June.

    Based on the percent of residents with pre-existing conditions, the fact that 47% of Americans are obese and many have diabetes indicates the US would likely rank 8th in the world in per capita COVID-19 deaths. In fact the US ranks 7th even assuming China and other secretive countries are actually providing accurate death numbers.

    One conclusion is many charge that the US response to COVID-19 did not work and that the US is the hardest hit country is absurd. In other words the US per capita COVID-19 death rate is almost exactly what should be expected based on the tremendous number of Americans with pre-existing conditions. The 372 COVID-19 deaths per million is right in line.

    On the other extreme, those who refuse to acknowledge the importance of social distancing, wearing masks in public and gradual re-openings long used Sweden as their example of a country that did what the US should have done and simply rode out COVID-19.

    However, the Swedes are extremely healthy for a developed country. Barely half as many (25.4%) are obese as Americans, and combined with diabetes or pre-existing conditions project that the Sweden should only rank 82nd in deaths.

    In fact Sweden is a disaster. Since the deniers held Sweden up as an example, deaths exploded to 137% of US per capita deaths. They are now fifth in the world with COVID-19 deaths dwarfing those in the US with 512 deaths per million. The two bordering countries have about one-tenth the deaths of Sweden, the country held up as the example of why you should NOT shut down (Norway has 47 deaths per million, and Finland 59).

    The second conclusion is now that we know the example of Sweden was a disaster, there is no case left for not wearing masks and ignoring social distancing in order to spread the disease rather than inconvenience ourselves in any way.

    The bottom line is that forcing politics into the center of medical debates is a terrible development in the American political scene that costs lives. Those who simply search for ways to blame President Trump or any other politician prevent an effective response just as much as some Trump supporters who try to make a case against taking the simple measures needed like masks and distancing actually make it harder to reopen due to their unwillingness to inconvenience themselves to save lives.

    Get the politics out of the process and localities, states and the country can open as much as possible to bring back the lost jobs without escalating deaths that were initially forecast to end next week.
     
    #503     Jul 2, 2020
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Finally! Something I can agree with that you've posted on this.
     
    #504     Jul 2, 2020
  5. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    All of which were very sloppy in doing it and relatively late in achieving a sound enough initial lockdown.

    Tegnell of Sweden has openly stated given the time again have gone from something in between meaning a lockdown to get better prepared and pause new spread into homes etc. Their neighbours had more realistic planners who knew better.
     
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    #505     Jul 2, 2020
  6. jem

    jem

    The great shutdown in CA is now shutting down again after just a few weeks of being open.
    We are going to destroy businesses and lives again.
    Partially ppen borders but blanket shutdown stupidity.

    Whereas
    Scroll down half way and see Sweden's excess death rate is now below zero.
    As Ander Tegnall told you all.

    Sweden had a ton of deaths in the beginning and hence a high overall excess death rate..
    but now with their old folks homes lockdown but but the rest of their society
    more open they have brought
    their excess death rate below zero.

    Scroll down about 3/5ths of the page.


    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries
     
    #506     Jul 2, 2020
  7. jem

    jem

    GWB likes to keep bringing the doomer propaganda...
    luckily some places actually produced charts with the data...

    As pointed on this page... these charts were supposed to be 25 times higher per the early predictions...

    And now as the US comes out of shutdown... Sweden is starting to do better.

    The shutdown failed... as of now. But.. we will see the real results over the next few months as we shutdown and open and shutdown... following truly moronic models.


    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/202...er-four-months-discrediting-lockdown-pushers/




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    #507     Jul 2, 2020
  8. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen


    "Businesses and lives"...what a "doomer".
    There was a full three month shutdown here in Colombia. You know, the third world but with some great retail. Commercial rents were suspended, banks were told to pause charges and in the malls the same stores are there now.

    Since the reopening of retail there has been a big increase in cases but its just about being handled with some regional exceptions. Bogota of course had three months to prepare and corruption resulted in little done to prepare for the opening. Medellin doing pretty well.

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    People who understand lean times and don't well up in tears because their lifestyle is momentarily affected vs stupid fat seppo boomers. To be fair to US millenials they can emotionally cope with tightening their belt (mostly due to their grandparents).
     
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    #508     Jul 2, 2020
  9. jem

    jem

    Its not whether we should accept the destruction and deaths caused by shutdown... but whether you can produced facts and data which show it was worth it.

    Did the blanket shutdown save lives overall.
    Was it worth all the other damage it did?

    Is it justified to do again here in CA?
    How can it be justified with no facts showing it worked.
    We are just getting the virus again.






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    https://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/202...hs-discrediting-lockdown-pushers/#frankensson
     
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    #509     Jul 2, 2020
  10. RRY16

    RRY16

    Beaches closed this weekend so stay away. Go to Walmart and buy a blow up pool or go for a swim in Lake Poway and enjoy the weekend. Don’t bring your klan to the coast.
     
    #510     Jul 2, 2020
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