In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. jem

    jem

    yeah... i knew you just made shit up...

    low risk people may catch the virus there... but that in no way means the superspreader is always from the low risk group... for all we know the super spreader may only rarely be from the low risk group.

    I would bet Low risk group people (those with presumably strong immune systems) would very rarely get so sick as to start shedding a lot of the virus.

    Really you just made shit up.







     
    #301     May 26, 2020
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So quotes from British government scientists are making stuff up.... quite amusing.

    You even completely screwed up the definition of superspreader. It is an event with a location at a designated time; not a particular individual.
     
    #302     May 26, 2020
  3. jem

    jem

    1. no... it was your statement that was bullshit not the British Governments.

    2. and once again you are a fucking idiot who makes statements contrary to science.... there are super spreader events and super spreader individuals...
    why did you just bullshit again... all you had to do was google.


    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(11)00024-5/fulltext

    Early studies that explored host–pathogen interactions assumed that infected individuals within a population have equal chances of transmitting the infection to others. Subsequently, in what became known as the 20/80 rule, a small percentage of individuals within any population was observed to control most transmission events. This empirical rule was shown to govern inter-individual transmission dynamics for many pathogens in several species, and individuals who infect disproportionately more secondary contacts, as compared to most others, became known as super-spreaders

     
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    #303     May 26, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yes as outlined by the U.K. superspreaders are more likely to be events full of "low risk individuals". These events typically include many more people in a crowded space than a nursing home has. Most nursing homes in the U.S. average under 40 residents. Most superspreader events have over 100 people present.

    "Size also varies according to ownership. Publicly owned facilities are the largest with an average of 61 beds. Skilled nursing homes under proprietary ownership average 24 beds. Homes connected with church groups average 50 beds while other types of nonprofit homes average 39 beds. Approximately 87 per cent of the skilled nursing homes are owned by proprietary interests. However, while proprietary homes account for nearly 9 out of 10 homes, they provide little more than 7 out of 10 beds."
     
    #304     May 26, 2020
  5. jem

    jem

    Are you that dense?
    The receivers of the virus can be low risk...

    That tells us nothing about whether the super spreader is from the low risk or high risk group.

    its your conclusions which were unfounded.

    and your stats about nursing homes are completely irrelevant.
    We know lots of people in nursing home died.
    And we know at least one superspreader was a worker in a nursing home.

    I realize now why you are so wrong... so often. you don't know important info from extraneous info...

    You may have a sorting disorder.


     
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    #305     May 26, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden has the highest daily coronavirus death rate in the world – and it’s getting worse
    https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-sweden-lockdown-death-rate-144650769.html

    As an increasing number of European countries ease away from their coronavirus peaks, in Sweden the story is a little different.

    In early March, the Nordic country opted to impose minimal restrictions, including the banning of public events of more than 50 people, barring visits to care homes, non-essential travel and anti-crowding rules in bars and restaurants.

    The measures had a positive effect despite critics questioning Sweden’s non-authoritarian approach. But from early April, the numbers began to change, showing the country’s death toll was starting to climb.

    Figures published by Our World in Data shows Sweden currently has the highest daily death rate per capita in the world. As of May 28, Sweden reported, on average, 5.50 COVID-19 deaths per million per day (on a seven-day rolling average) as outlined in the chart below.

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    #306     May 29, 2020
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Not according to the Coronavirus database.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    France, Belgium, UK, and a few other countries still considerably above the Sweden death per 1M.
     
    #307     May 29, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    None of the neighbors want all the sick, infected people from Sweden. The message to Swedes - "Stay the F out of our countries".

    No-lockdown Sweden balks at the possibility it could be excluded as Nordics reopen borders
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/27/swe...mean-its-excluded-from-nordics-reopening.html
    • Sweden decided not to implement a strict lockdown, unlike its Nordic neighbors Finland, Denmark and Norway.
    • Sweden’s neighbors are looking to reopen borders and lift travel restrictions.
    • There are reportedly concerns over Sweden’s approach to the virus.
    As Sweden’s Nordic neighbors look to reopen borders and lift travel restrictions, worries over Stockholm’s relaxed approach to the coronavirus has increased concerns that it could be excluded from those plans.

    Sweden’s Foreign Minister Ann Linde said Tuesday the EU had cautioned against discriminating when opening borders, and that any decision to exclude the country from an agreement between the Nordic states would be problematic.

    “It is a very complicated issue, and I think that all politicians in every country should also look at the long-term effect before they take very politically motivated decisions,” she told reporters at a briefing in Stockholm, according to Reuters.

    Linde’s comments came after Cyprus said it would not permit direct flights from Sweden when it opens up on June 9, but would allow inbound flights from Norway, Denmark and Finland.

    There is a nervousness over Sweden because, unlike its neighbors and most of Europe, it kept much of its public and social life open as the coronavirus spread throughout Europe in late February and March.

    The government allowed Sweden’s bars, restaurants and schools for under-16-year-olds to remain open. It did ban mass gatherings and visits to elderly-care homes, which have seen acute outbreaks of the virus, and advocated social distancing, working from home and good personal hygiene.

    The strategy has been attracted global attention and some criticism. Data shows that the country of around 10 million has recorded 34,440 cases and 4,125 deaths. This is far higher than its Nordic neighbors, which each have populations of around 5 million each; Norway has recorded 235 deaths, Denmark has recorded 563 deaths and Finland has reported 312 deaths.

    Allowing for different testing regimes and attributions of the cause of death, according to ourworldindata.org, Sweden’s daily confirmed Covid-19 deaths per million inhabitants on a rolling seven-day average stood at 4.68 on Tuesday, higher than the total for the U.K. (at 4.46) and the U.S. (at 3.40) as well as Russia and Brazil, which all have the largest numbers of confirmed coronavirus cases in the world.

    Nervous neighbors
    Given the data, it’s perhaps not surprising that Sweden’s neighbors are cautious about the reopening of borders and lifting of travel restrictions, although essential travel, such as for work, has continued between the countries throughout lockdown, albeit at a lower level.

    Finland is set to decide on lifting travel restrictions on or by June 14. It is not commenting on other countries’ strategies, the Foreign Ministry told CNBC when asked for comment, but pointed to Finland’s explicit strategy to prevent the spread of the virus in the country and told CNBC “it is monitoring the corona situation very carefully and is ready to react quickly if the situation suddenly gets worse.”

    Norway’s Ministry of Justice and Public Security told CNBC on Wednesday that by June 15, consideration will be given to permitting leisure travelers from the Nordic countries to enter the country and that by July 20, permitting such entry from other nearby European countries will also be considered.

    Denmark’s Foreign Ministry told CNBC that, as of Monday, the country was “expanding the possibility for travelers from the Nordic countries and Germany to enter into Denmark.”

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    #308     May 29, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    How many NEW COVID-19 deaths per million per day (on a seven-day rolling average) are these countries reporting. Sweden is reporting 5.50 COVID-19 deaths per million per day.

    We don't care about 2 month old information from countries well past their COVID peaks.... which is what you are pushing.
     
    #309     May 29, 2020
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Ok, so here we are again where you only like your statistics and not any others that don't follow the direction you like. Fine. We don't have to agree. You can push yours, I'll push mine and that's the way it will be.

    If you are right, eventually Sweden's number will rise beyond these other countries. If you are wrong, I'm sure you will tell us why we can't trust the data.
     
    #310     May 29, 2020