We all know that Sweden did not achieve its primary stated goals for not locking down like its Scandinavian neighbors... It wanted to protect livelihoods and mental well being. Yet, their GDP contracted, unemployment increased and suicides / mental illnesses increased. Simply, Sweden's main objectives was not achieved plus it still had excessive higher mortality. That's a colossal fuck up. Not discussed and I'm not able to find any statistics...the financial support provided to the citizens of the Scandinavian countries provided during the Pandemic. Thus, I'm curious about how the Scandinavian countries compared to each other via financial support in the Pandemic to their citizens to protect some of their livelihoods. If there's plus to this story...the Scandinavian countries including Sweden now have much better Covid numbers thanks to vaccinations (not herd immunity) and timely strict restrictions. wrbtrader
1. Nobody... said Sweden's economy would not suffer during covid.. A major part of Sweden's economy is exports. How would that not suffer. Your argument is illogical as can be. You lefties are so full of shit all the time... I have to wonder if you all are capable of useful thinking. 47.02 percent Sweden: Exports of goods and services as percent of GDP The latest value from 2019 is 47.02 percent. Sweden Exports, percent of GDP - data, chart ... https://www.theglobaleconomy.com › Sweden › exports 2. There were myraid reasons stated for not locking down... you should actually do the research and report back. One... for sure I remember was that the Swedes stated child development is very important and therefore they did not wish to lock down elementary schools.
Sweden sees 'dark clouds' with outbreaks of COVID delta variant https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ith-outbreaks-covid-delta-variant-2021-06-11/ Swedish health officials warned on Friday of worrying local outbreaks of the COVID delta variant and urged people to get vaccinated to avoid a fourth wave of the pandemic. Sweden, an outlier in the fight against the pandemic with its no-lockdown policy, has seen a steep decline in cases and hospitalisations in the past month after surges in infections in the spring. Close to half the adult population has received at least one vaccine shot but the health agency warned that people who had only received one shot were less protected against the delta variant. "There are some dark clouds on the horizon and I think mainly of outbreaks of the delta variant. It is found in Europe and also locally in Sweden," agency director general Johan Carlson told a news conference. The Delta variant, first identified in India, is believed by UK epidemiologists to be 60% more transmissible than the Alpha variant which was previously dominant in Britain, in part because vaccines are less effective against it. L5N2NR40Y So far, only 71 cases of the variant have been confirmed in Sweden but it has prompted the agency to step up contact tracing. The delta variant accounts for around 90% of new cases in the UK.
is this your 1000th post on the variant apocalypse... (in one of your hate zones (the ones that did not lockdown when you and your Pravda demanded.) Odds would seem to say you are due to get one apocalypse correct. but if the shots protect against this variant.. you fears are probably unfounded. Sweden would be better off that other places because they are likely to have more immunity for not locking down. I reference this weeks Cleveland clinic study which found zero covid reinfections... hence so far those who had Covid are more protected than the vaccinated.(of course new variants could be different.)
One concerning issue not discussed just yet but I do expect it to become an issue by end of summer... The initial vaccines were for the original Covid-19. A person that then gets vaccinated and then becomes infected with a new variant...some may not get infected with the original Covid because they're vaccinated but they're open to other cardiac or respiratory problems although minor that's caused by the new variant. This is something I learned in Immunology 501 and Virology classes although it was about 30 years ago. Simply, variants are nasty boogers which is why vaccinated people need to be careful...closing the door on a deadly infection like Covid may open a back door to a illness from a new variant although in most cases the illness is easily treated at the hospital and it may only target a certain group in the population. It's nothing new, its also an issue with the seasonal FLU vaccine...new strains every few years that require new FLU shot. Just as importantly, it's a big problem when people travel or they're exposed to someone that recently travel. For example, someone gets vaccinated in Canada. They are then exposed to a relative that traveled from another country (e.g. India) that has a different dominant Covid variant... In some cases...its the new variant that may cause mild illness involving the heart and/or respiratory. In other cases...its the vaccine that attacks the new variant but it then cause an auto-immune response that impacts the heart / respiratory. Sweden is now allowing migrant workers to cross the borders and people are traveling again...we should start seeing a very small percentage of people develop problems soon after they've been fully vaccinated... Recently traveled or exposed to someone recently traveled. We should start hearing more news of fully vaccinated people becoming infected with Covid (most likely via a new variant) and news of a small percentage of people suffering from a treatable mild illnesses to their heart / respiratory via an auto-immune response to the vaccine that' responding to the new variant. Regardless, the benefit of being fully vaccinated greatly outweighs the risk of not being fully vaccinated. By the way, I'm not a fan of some countries "mixing / matching" their vaccinations. Back in the day in virology class it was called Heterologous Immunization. I had to look that up in one of my old Immunology books from college. Simple example of mixing / matching vaccines (Heterologous Immunization)...such as the 1st Covid vaccine dose being via Moderna and the 2nd Covid vaccine dose via PFizer or AztraZeneca. I learned in college that such was not a good strategy because the first shot has an increasing chance of interfering with the second shot in the making of antibodies or causing an imbalance of T-cells. Today, apparently that's not so any more and obviously must be teaching something a little different... https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/t...e-virologist-professor-polly-roy-6992881.html https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00315-5 https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...ines-safe-and-well-tolerated-study-finds.aspx This is a big concern that I have because in less than a month...the Delta Variant was only about 1% of the Covid infections. Now its 6% of the Covid infections although much higher in some countries like the U.K. as noted in the article posted by you. My thinking is that if Delta is more transmissible than the Alpha variant...the U.K. should have more re-infection of people that had natural immunity from a recently prior Covid infection and small number of infections of those that were fully vaccinated plus more illnesses to the heart / respiratory after a recent vaccination. I'm still not vaccinated...Canada doing better but slow in my area. Yet, I won't let my teenagers take any mix / match vaccinations. They'll only take the same vaccine...1st and 2nd dose. Yet, we all had our FLU shots last fall while I had an additional vaccination shot called the Prevnar vaccine against the Pneumonia...an illness that almost killed me in 2016 (two months coma / life support) because I was not vaccinated against the Pneumonia. wrbtrader
I would say Toronto has one of the fastest rollouts on the globe right now; it's a machine like blitz. Most of the city will be fully vaccinated by the end of July, no later then August. Almost no vaccine hesitancy at all here people just want to get things rolling.
I'm expecting Canada to rollout the vaccination quickly in the smaller cities and rural communities after they vaccinate most people in the big cities that were hit very hard by Covid like Toronto, Montréal, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton and such. Yeah, very low vaccine hesitancy and one of the reason is less conspiracy theories and aggressive vaccination campaign in the ethnic communities, healthcare workers, migrant workers and the elderly. I'll be watching closely to see how this Delta Variant impacts Sweden and other countries as more people become infected with it and as more borders begin to open. wrbtrader
Once again you are shoveling nonsense that natural infection provides lasting immunity -- let's look at the facts as found in most in-depth studies. There is also the issue of long COVID which you ignore. So not only can "Long COVID" appear months after a person was infected... but the maximum natural anti-body immunity to re-infection disappears after 9 months... and after a mere 3 months in most people. Experts raise concerns on long Covid symptoms appearing after six months to a year from infection NK Arora, chief of Operations Research Group, part of the national Covid task force, also said antibodies may remain in the system for three to nine months. https://scroll.in/latest/995360/exp...ing-after-six-months-to-a-year-from-infection Quick Summary: Nearly 40% of people who had COVID do not develop sufficient anti-bodies to stop them from catching COVID a second time within 6 months. This aligns with other research on re-infections and the percentage of people being re-infected. Only vaccinated anti-body immunity will lead to herd immunity. From the article: From the analysis, the researchers created five categories based on how long antibodies lasted in an individual. The first category, called the "negative" group, included the individuals who never developed detectable neutralizing antibodies. This group comprised 11.6% of participants. Comprising 26.8% of patients, the second group is called the "rapid waning" group and showed varying early levels of antibodies that waned quickly. The third category comprised 29% of participants and was called the "slow waning" group as these patients tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 for up to half a year. The fourth group, called the "persistent" group, comprised 31.7% of patients and showed little change in their antibody levels up to 180 days. The last group, or the "delayed response" group, covered only 1.8% of subjects and included those who showed a marked rise in neutralizing antibodies during late convalescence. Individual COVID-19 Antibodies Could Last Days To Decades, Scientists Find https://www.ibtimes.com/individual-...uld-last-days-decades-scientists-find-3168292
Read that article moron.. I presented it to you to show you that there is t cell immunity.. you moron.. how many fucking times do you need to be told that antibody immunity is just one part of immunity...we also have T cell immunity. And recent studies have shown that the stronger your t cell immunity the less likely or less long lasting your antibodies. Some may not even be testable for antibodies. 2... you asswipe the Cleveland clinic study last week found that there were zero covid reinfections. While some people did get infected after the vaccine. I created the thread last week go read the study. Your have been so wrong on everything because you refuse to accept science and data over narrative.