Indisputable fact that almost everything that poster "Jem" has posted on this topic has been a complete failure and he was too proud or stupid a man to admit it. His jabs at Canada and constant refusal to truly understand the data coming out of Sweden were ridiculous and sometimes infantile in nature. The gang on here were literally still going on about the merit of Sweden's approach many weeks ( probably many months now ) after it was clear their approach had failed. The concept of delayed data and uselessness of most recent 7 day moving averages seemed beyond their comprehension levels.
The quote you highlighted in my message post... It's the key about why the defense of Sweden has changed but they will not admit what Sweden has been admitting for several months now. Yet, I'm sure you've also notice the growing misinformation campaign here at ET forum about vaccinations. It's weird...its as if these idiots want people (their government) to go back into lockdown, want the economy to continue struggling and want to see more people die. Actually, the misinformation campaign in Europe got so bad...their Covid numbers via the variants became so bad...Europe lockdown again. Complete Madness / Psychotic Sweden is trying very hard to avoid doing a lockdown. They can avoid such as long as the misinformation campaign is controlled or they can reach vaccination herd immunity before the Covidiots in Sweden spread their disease (literally)...reason why I showed the recent video out of Sweden. The good thing...the Swedish people are aware of outsiders in their country that came to Sweden to avoid lockdowns in other countries. It's scary that all over the world...there's people making an effort to sabotage the fight against Covid. I'm looking forward to getting vaccinated by September (Trudeau states all Canadians will be vaccinated by September) so that I can drive back to Chicago and then fly back to Europe (France)...it should be pheasant hunting season by that time and then prepare for Ski vacations. Family skis and snowboards looks like they're gathering dust in the outdoor closet. wrbtrader
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...down-may-have-inadvertently-saved-lives-cost/ Delaying the first lockdown may have inadvertently saved more lives than it cost A Cambridge expert argues that countries who locked down early just delayed part of their first wave, resulting in higher overall mortality 21 March 2021 • 8:00pm An almost deserted Central Line train in London during one of England's three national lockdowns, with legal restrictions introduced regarding travel and socialising Credit: Dominic Lipinski/PA Wire Delaying the first lockdown may have inadvertently saved more lives than it cost, according to a new analysis. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been heavily criticised for only imposing the national restrictions on March 23 last year, at least nine days after he knew that the NHS would not be able to cope if coronavirus was allowed to rampage unchecked. A number of scientists and opposition politicians have claimed that delaying the decision caused tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths. However, a University of Cambridge expert now argues that countries who locked down early effectively delayed part of their first wave to the winter, resulting in higher overall mortality. Dr Raghib Ali, a senior clinical research associate at the university’s MRC Epidemiology Unit, said Britain’s relatively late lockdown meant more people were infected in the spring, when underlying pressure on the NHS was relatively light, meaning they were protected by antibodies come winter, when the service traditionally struggles to cope. Advertisement Writing for The Telegraph, he saidin the absence of a vaccine, lockdowns postpone infections, rather than prevent them, and suggests that March and April was a better period in which to catch the virus. Many of the claims that Britain’s late lockdown exacerbated the death toll have been made using the statistical models that urged the measure in the first place. By contrast, Dr Ali compared the UK to European countries with similar populations, age structures, seasons and healthcare systems. While Norway and Finland, which locked down a week before the UK have both had small first and second wave death tolls, these are exceptions, according to Dr Ali, also a professor public health at New York University. “What happened in many other countries in Europe who also locked down (and closed their borders) at the same time is that they did have very small first waves in spring 2020 but this was followed by much larger second waves in autumn/winter 2021 (and now into spring 2021, too)”, he writes. Show more “And this has happened despite second and third lockdowns in many of these countries as people understandably struggled to maintain compliance with restrictions for months on end.” Advertisement He adds: “But based on current trends it seems likely that many of these countries that we thought were doing well due to their early lockdowns and small first waves will end up having higher excess mortality than the UK, including Czechia, Poland, Portugal, and many others.” Dr Ali also argues that closing borders has emerged to be a key intervention in controlling the virus, and points out that Sage (the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) opposed the policy last year. However, he concludes that even if ministers had ignored the body’s advice and closed the borders last March, it would have been too late. "The point is that getting the timing of lockdowns right is not straightforward, especially when you have to balance their very significant harms against their benefit, and there really is not good evidence that an earlier lockdown would have saved lives,” he said. Telegraph Breaking News alerts Be informed about the latest news stories as soon as they break
As many of us were telling the lock down morons last march. a. However, a University of Cambridge expert now argues that countries who locked down early effectively delayed part of their first wave to the winter, resulting in higher overall mortality. ... Dr Raghib Ali, a senior clinical research associate at the university’s MRC Epidemiology Unit, said Britain’s relatively late lockdown meant more people were infected in the spring, when underlying pressure on the NHS was relatively light, meaning they were protected by antibodies come winter, when the service traditionally struggles to cope. Advertisement Writing for The Telegraph, he saidin the absence of a vaccine, lockdowns postpone infections, rather than prevent them, and suggests that March and April was a better period in which to catch the virus. b. Dr Ali also argues that closing borders has emerged to be a key intervention in controlling the virus, and points out that Sage (the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) opposed the policy last year.
What is that expression about doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results? as some of the moron leaders in Europe are trying the same failed policies Sweden is still doing better than gw Be -lyings model country. https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...e&country=SWE~DEU~ESP~BEL~CAN~FRA~GRC~GBR~USA
Sweden to introduce new Covid restrictions for museums and amusement parks https://www.thelocal.se/20210323/sw...ictions-for-museums-zoos-and-amusement-parks/ Sweden on Tuesday announced new coronavirus measures intended to reduce the risk of the virus spreading in museums, amusement parks and similar venues.
Covid lockdown: Seven enduring claims fact-checked BBC - https://tinyurl.com/xhdaehdu Many of the grievances expressed have been fueled by false and misleading claims. We've investigated seven of the most frequently-shared examples. Claim: "Here we are a year later - the world shut down for a 99.97% survival rate" Verdict: This figure and similar figures being widely shared, are incorrect. One recent estimate shows that overall, on average, about 99.3% of people who catch coronavirus survive it, according to statistics analysed by University of Cambridge. That might not seem like a big difference, but it means that about 70 in 10,000 people are expected to die - not three in 10,000. The death rate is much higher for older and more vulnerable people. And many people across all age groups suffer serious long-term effects from the virus. Long Covid: 'I can't walk 10m without a rest' About 10% of people still have symptoms 12 weeks or more after their positive test, according to an Office for National Statistics (ONS) study. (The symptoms are wide-ranging, including cough, loss of smell, fatigue and sore throat. The study is still a work in progress. And it's worth noting that some people may have dropped out, and that those with symptoms are more likely to report them.) Claim: Suicides increased "200%" during lockdown Verdict: FALSE. The only reliable recent data available on suicides in England - from the University of Manchester - has found that rates have not risen during lockdown. Stay-at-home orders and the economic impact of the pandemic have undoubtedly taken a toll on people's mental health. However, shared posts saying suicides have gone up by 200% during the pandemic are false. How has Covid affected mental health? Claim: Every winter hundreds a day die from respiratory diseases..."why are we locked down?" Verdict: Flu, a serious respiratory virus can be deadly - but there are vaccines and treatments available. Only very recently have vaccines for Covid-19 started to be rolled out, and only now are more effective treatments available. The long-term effects of Covid can also be much more severe for many people and it's more infectious than flu. Covid is also deadlier, says Prof Andrew Pekosz, faculty director at Johns Hopkins University in the United States. "Covid-19 has a higher severe disease and mortality rate than influenza in all age groups, except perhaps children under the age of 12." The risk of serious illness and death from coronavirus is significantly higher for older age groups. Flu v Covid claims fact-checked Claim: "Covid-19 death rates have been falsely inflated" Verdict: More than 125,000 Covid deaths have been recorded in the UK so far. There are different ways of recording these deaths, but all broadly agree on the scale of the crisis. About 90% of the deaths where Covid appeared on the death certificate had the virus as the underlying cause attributed by a doctor, according to the ONS. The ONS total roughly matches up with Public Health England's count, which looks at anyone who died within 28 days after a positive test, as well as the number of excess deaths, which is measured against a five-year average. Almost all of these have been attributed to coronavirus, according to the UK's three national statistics agencies. Claim: "No-lockdown Sweden fared better than the UK" Verdict: It's true that Sweden has had a lower Covid death rate than the UK, but it has fared significantly worse than its neighbours, all of which had tighter initial lockdown restrictions. Many people opposed to Covid restrictions point to the example of Sweden, a country which at the beginning of the pandemic avoided introducing a compulsory lockdown, and instead issued voluntary distancing advice. However, Sweden is a very different country to the UK and has characteristics that may have helped it during the pandemic. It has a lower population density, and a high proportion of people live alone. The capital, Stockholm, is also less of an international transit hub than London. When compared to other Scandinavian countries with similar population profiles, Sweden has fared much worse and recorded a significantly higher number of deaths than its neighbours, all of which have had tougher restrictions during much of the pandemic. It is hard to separate all the factors that might have caused this, but the absence of strict lockdown measures is likely to have contributed. There's also no evidence that Sweden's economy did any better than its neighbours. Although Sweden chose not to lock down early in the pandemic, with bars, restaurants and shops remaining open, increasingly tighter legally-binding restrictions have been imposed over the last five months. These include a ban on public gatherings of eight or more people, limits on numbers in stores, gyms and on bookable public transport and a stop on serving food and drink after 20:00. Daily reported deaths have been falling since early January, but the infection rate remains high. Claim: "There was no pressure on the NHS all winter" Verdict: Hospitals were very busy, particularly over the winter months, but the NHS has been able to cope, largely because of restructuring and lockdown restrictions. The strain on critical-care beds has been acute, along with the specialist staffing required. The number of adults in critical care was far higher than previous winters. In the last week of January 2021, some 2,000 more critical care beds a day were occupied in England compared with the previous year. Some non-Covid-related care has been shelved temporarily, and wards have been restructured to ensure the virus doesn't spread, which inevitably means fewer beds are available. In some hospitals, overall occupancy rates might have appeared lower than expected, but there's been a big effort to ensure enough spare capacity to cope with surges in coronavirus cases. Coronavirus has also had a big impact on staffing, with large numbers off sick or self-isolating. Covid: How busy are hospitals in England? Claim: "With PCR, if you do it well you can find almost anything in anybody" The PCR (polymerase chain reaction) test is considered the most reliable way to detect coronavirus. The process was invented in the 1990s, long before Covid appeared, by Californian scientist Kary Mullis. At a public event, he once said: "With PCR, if you do it well you can find almost anything in anybody." This has since been used to discredit PCR testing for Covid, but these criticisms are unfounded. Coronavirus: Tests 'could be picking up dead virus' Mr Mullis was referring to the high level of sensitivity of his test. PCR testing can pick up a tiny amount of virus, so it is possible for someone to get a positive result if they go for a test days or weeks after an infection and are not actually infectious any more. However, this is unlikely to have a significant effect on the number of cases, and people tend to have a test when they have symptoms. (Article has additional graphics and information demonstrating most of the information pushed by jem and his comrades are complete nonsense.)
what crock of selected garbage... Big... Lie #1. 1. 99.7... vs "only" 99.3 What kind of deceptive person... would make that argument, with those headlines, when the 99.3 is based on a model. A smart person would immediately know it was a crock of shit... because we have no idea how many people have had covid. We men know how many tested positive... but we do not know how many people had it. Big Lie #2 2. They have no idea of the suicide rate around the world ....they only looked at one country... Big Lie # 3 3. Its true... people die from other respiratory viruses... that a flu vaccine may be available is irrelevant and red herring. Especially when it is on the average about 38% effective according the last study I saw. (so give it 50% at best.) the bullshit fear mongering goes on and on. back to trading.
One of the biggest arguments has been the economic disaster from a lockdown. Early in the Pandemic...Sweden used that argument as one of the reasons for their health policy approach (Lockdown lite) to the Pandemic. I argued early in the Pandemic with GDP charts / data that Sweden was in fact being impacted negatively via the Pandemic regardless to their lockdown lite policy because countries it traded with were in fact "lockdown". Your chart is verification that there's more dynamic variables involved than just a lockdown that Sweden was exposed too that those using the economic issue as a reason to not lockdown. Simply, as pointed out early in the Pandemic...verified by your recent chart. There are other charts that industry specific involving Sweden that I posted earlier in the other Sweden thread...industry like bars, restaurants, retail and many others were impacted just as negative as the same industry in neighboring Scandinavian countries that did lockdown. Why ? Sweden is dependent upon trade, tourists from other countries, migrant workers and so on. All of this sees great impact when those other countries closed its border to Sweden and now recently...Sweden has been closing its borders to those countries. wrbtrader
And yet country after country around the world shows no significant increase in suicide rate or teen suicide rate. In fact -- in some countries like the U.S. the rate of increases in suicides slowed in 2020. Despite all of this -- you continually posted alarmist articles that the suicide rate was going to rise sky high due to lockdowns. This turned out not to be true at all. Information has previously been provided showing the actual suicides rates in multiple countries during 2020 showing the reality that there has been no significant increase in suicide rate across the globe.