Sweden is investigating their complete failure to protect the old people homes. It is pretty clear at this point that most of the old people homes were infected AFTER measures were put in place to protect the residents -- after COVID-19 was clearly infecting people across Sweden. Same situation in other countries - even with the staff living on site, no visitors, and more disinfecting --- COVID-19 spread in the old person homes -- and was not present prior the shutdowns since the initial infections in the communities. occurred more than 14 days after the lock-down in late March. There are simply too many vectors of entry for the virus into these old people homes. These people require nursing care for other conditions, doctor visits for critical care, food delivery & medication delivery to the facility, and other services to meet their needs -- even with staff living on site with no visitors allowed the virus shows up in these facilities full of high-risk residents. The concept of "high-risk" also ignores that approximately 30% of the U.S. workforce meet the profile of high risk. Having all these people stay at home as "high risk" when all the low risk people are wandering around freely -- still means that you are missing 30% of your country's work force with a clear economic downside impact.
"pretty clear" is bullshit... it is is not data. we would need to know when precautions were put in place how many were already infected how many caught the virus from people already infected... just for starters. 2. NYC had its own problems with old folks homes and it shutdown. 3. you are still not focusing on overall harm and not overall deaths.. 4. If 30 percent is high risk... they are excused from working if they so choose. no issues from me on that. If I were high risk, I would isolate myself. 30 percent missing from the workforce is far better than the 30 percent plus part of the low risk group we have now. 4. Plenty of old folks homes have no deaths. it can be done. 5. Still to this day... you have once tried to balance harm done by letting low risk group back to work vs keeping them locked down. Once you factor in overall harm... What you have been advocating is sickly stupid if you think in terms of probabilities of overall harm being done.
Sweden’s Covid-19 strategy has caused an ‘amplification of the epidemic’ https://www.france24.com/en/2020051...y-has-caused-an-amplification-of-the-epidemic Sweden is famously one of the few countries to have opted against a lockdown to contain the spread of the coronavirus. But given that the country has a much higher death toll per million than its Nordic neighbours, many observers have suggested that the Swedish approach has failed. While countries across the world have eased Covid-19 lockdowns over recent weeks, Sweden stands out: it never imposed confinement measures to begin with. As billions hunkered down throughout the globe in late March, Swedish bars, restaurants, hairdressers, gyms and even primary and middle schools stayed open. There have been some exceptions. Secondary schools and museums have been closed, sport fixtures cancelled and gatherings of more than 50 people banned. Swedes have been asked to stay at home if they are over 70 or are feeling unwell. Social distancing has been requested in public places. And on Thursday, the government urged Swedes to avoid unnecessary international travel and to limit car journeys within the country to two hours. But even these measures – minimal by the standards of numerous other countries – have been laxly enforced. Police are unable to impose fines to enforce social distancing; they can only tell people to comply. The Swedish approach has won praise from figures on the American right such as Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who have suggested that it provides a model for the US to follow. ‘People who think they can’t die’ In making the case for its unorthodox policy, Stockholm has pointed to high levels of trust in Swedish society, arguing that people could be expected to take precautions without being told to. “There are people who are really diligent and are doing exactly what they should do, but there are too many who don’t,” said Elisabeth Asbrink, a Swedish author, freelance journalist and prominent critic of the government’s approach. In parts of Stockholm, “people are doing all the things they usually do, as if there’s no need to keep a distance”, she continued. “I’ve also visited Malmo (Sweden’s third-biggest city) and there’s a lot of people there who think they can’t die, somehow; they think they’re unapproachable by this disease.” Figures compiled by data analysis website Statista show that the total number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in Sweden has been increasing steadily since the beginning of April – and now stands at more than 29,000. Statistics suggest that Sweden has performed poorly compared to its Scandinavian neighbours, which imposed strict lockdowns. Experts say the other Nordic countries are the most apt points of comparison, given their similar healthcare systems, socio-political cultures and levels of connectedness. Reported coronavirus deaths per million in Sweden stand at 358, according to Statista – even higher than the hard-hit US, at 267. The Swedish figure is dramatically worse than those of Denmark (93), Finland (53) and Norway (44). In Sweden, “we’re seeing an amplification of the epidemic, because there’s simply more social contact”, said Lynn Goldman, dean of the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University in the US. In response to a comment in late April hailing Sweden’s performance, Nicolas Nassim Taleb – a professor of risk engineering at New York University, famous for his book on probability and uncertainty The Black Swan – tweeted back: “Stop the bullshit. Sweden did HORRIBLE [sic] compared to Norway Denmark Finland.” ‘They didn’t have time to take care of my mother’ Many Swedish experts have lambasted the government’s response to the pandemic. Twenty-two doctors and scientists demanded a change of tack in an editorial piece in the newspaper Dagens Nyheter, published on April 14. “The approach must be changed radically and quickly,” they implored. “As the virus spreads, we need to increase social distance […] Politicians must intervene, there is no alternative.” As in many other countries, nursing homes have been a particular source of anguish. Although visits were banned on March 31, half of those 70 and older in Sweden who have died from Covid-19 were living in nursing homes, according to figures released at the end of April. Staff have warned that they lack personal protective equipment. “They didn’t have time to take care of my mother,” one Stockholm resident – who claims his mother died of neglect in a nursing home while more than a third of its residents succumbed to the virus – told Agence-France-Presse last week. “There are things which could have been done, and should be done, that would have altered the picture radically,” said Lena Einhorn, a Swedish virologist and critic of the government’s policy. If Sweden had implemented “a broad testing programme, and especially in elder care”, she continued, the authorities would have “known who is infected, and now, with antibody testing, who was infected”. Einhorn said two further policies would have made a significant difference, without necessitating a full-blown lockdown: “If Sweden mandated a 14-day quarantine for all household members of someone sick with Covid-19, we would not have had this picture”, and if the country “closed restaurants, there would have been less possibility of aerosol spread (airborne transmission) of the virus”. ‘Politicians are not taking visible responsibility’ The Swedish government has said that its policies are effectively decided by scientific officials such as the state’s chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, who has become a well-known and popular figure in the country since the start of the pandemic. But Asbrink argued that this is having a negative effect on political debate in Sweden: “The decisions that they are making are of course political – they make choices – and I think it is a problem that Swedish politicians have not taken visible responsibility for the strategy, as they have in the other Nordic countries.” The purpose of the country’s strategy has been much debated. Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde told FRANCE 24’s Clovis Casali in early May that “we don’t have a strategy of herd immunity” – referring to the phenomenon that occurs when a high proportion of a population contracts and thereby gains immunity from an illness, thus stopping the disease’s spread and indirectly protecting everyone else. “We don't want to stop all transmission; we want to flatten the curve,” Linde said. However, Einhorn said that “they have denied it, but under their breaths they have acknowledged” a herd immunity strategy. She pointed to Tegnell’s comments in an interview with newspaper Aftonbladet in March: He said that the “basic idea” of herd immunity is “probably starting to become more and more relevant the more we see of this virus”.
Could herd immunity curb coronavirus? So far, in Sweden, that doesn’t appear to be the case: report https://www.pennlive.com/coronaviru...that-doesnt-appear-to-be-the-case-report.html Some potentially bad news as it pertains to those hoping herd immunity will help deal with coronavirus as we open back up. And it comes from Sweden. Officials there have kept businesses open during the virus, and according to a Business Insider report, it’s not going well. Herd immunity relies on the idea that as more folks catch the virus, we build up antibodies that help fight against it. And it has been pushed for, by some, in the United States. But, according to the report, “scientists have called it dangerous rhetoric,” because it could take years to achieve and, in the process, “hundreds of thousands of people could die from COVID-19.” According to the report, no country in the world has reached herd immunity, and that experts predict that as much as 50-to-70 percent of the population would have to get the virus to reach such a goal. According to Business Insider, that could take four-to-five years in the United States. And, it said, scientists still don’t know if herd immunity is even a possibility with COVID-19. In Sweden, it said, the population is 10.23 million, and the country has had 29,207 confirmed cases with 3,646 deaths. That’s a death rate of 35.64 deaths per 100,000 people. The United States, with a population of 328.2 million, has a death rate of 26.3 deaths per 100,000 people. And, according to the report, the creator of Sweden’s approach to the coronavirus, state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell, says he isn’t sure it’s working. So, while herd immunity would be nice, it may not be possible. And, even if it is, it could take years, and costs hundreds of thousands of death along the way, according to the report. That would be bad news as we reopen.
your 2 articles were nothing new, just republishing propaganda When you compare the trends on these graphs of new cases and deaths... Sweden is the equal or better and we have been shutdown... They may be well on their way to herd immunity in Stockholm. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
We get it. You are a coward. I would certainly never infringe on your right to cower in your home like a complete pussy. By all means, crawl under the bed and mask up buttercup. I'm out and about. I'm open for business. I'm a mask-less capitalist looking for an angle and I'm working on a change of plans lol. Its time to buy real estate! Florida real estate baby!
Could all you doomers explain what is going on with Sweden? That stats are trending down on new cases and new deaths? How could that be? They are doing better than Spain and France and Britain? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ Could the answer be a developing Herd Immunity in Stockholm? according to some its a "dangerous idea" ... until it works. Better not think about this dangerous idea.... 2. Here is a balanced article... Both Sweden and the UK stirred controversy with their respective governments choosing to follow the herd immunity plan rather than strict lockdown measures introduced in other European countries like Italy, France and Spain to tackle the coronavirus. And while the UK was quick to scrap the idea, Sweden continued with the herd immunity plan, with Johan Giesecke, the nation’s former chief epidemiologist and internationally recognised expert who advises the World Health Organization, describing the strategy as the “best in the world”. However it hasn’t been a free-for-all. The Swedish government did implement some restrictions, such as a ban on gatherings of over 50 people and social-distancing rules in gyms, restaurants and bars, which like nurseries and schools for children under 16, have remained open. The majority of the Swedish population, who were asked to practice social distancing on a mostly voluntary basis, approve of the approach, with polls indicating that two-thirds believe the government has done a good job. However with 3,679 deaths and a mortality rate three times higher than that of Denmark and seven times higher than in Finland, many believe that Sweden’s strategy is far from the best in the world. But it must be noted that Sweden’s mortality rate has been much lower than that in Britain, France and Spain, all of which have enforced strict lockdown measures that will have lasting economic impacts. Coronavirus lockdown measures “pushing deaths into the future”, says Dr. Giesecke According to Dr. Giesecke, lockdowns are solely a means of delaying the inevitable. “You’re pushing your cases and deaths into the future, they are not disappearing,” he said speaking to New Zealand media at the weekend. Although health authority leaders in the likes of Spain and Italy would argue that the lockdown measures were necessary to slow the spread and stop the collapse of their respective health systems. While populations in other European countries begin to move about again as lockdown restrictions are eased, which will likely lead to a rise in covid-19 cases and deaths once again, Stockholm will reach herd immunity (the 40-60% rate of infection needed to prevent spread of the coronavirus), by June, according to Dr. Giesecke. The assumption is that when countries count the death toll a year from now, their figures will be similar, regardless of the measures taken, although the economic damage in Sweden will be far less. Results so far of Sweden's relatively lax approach to combatting the coronavirus: lots of deaths and not much economic benefit https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-dcb4-4721-9e58-a7b262cd4b6e … Criticism for Sweden’s coronavirus plan However Dr. Giesecke’s counterparts at Johns Hopkins University have called herd immunity a "dangerous misconception", while the World Health Organization also re-iterated its objections to herd immunity last week. "This idea that, 'Well, maybe countries who had lax measures and haven't done anything will all of a sudden magically reach some herd immunity, and so what if we lose a few old people along the way?' This is a really dangerous, dangerous calculation," Mike Ryan, WHO's executive director of health emergencies, said. "I think we need to be really careful when we use terms in this way around natural infections in humans because it can lead to a very brutal arithmetic which does not put people and life and suffering at the center of that equation.” While the general consensus among international health experts is that herd immunity is a reckless and dangerous policy to follow, many citizens in the U.K, U.S. and other countries, whose lives, jobs and businesses have been ravaged by lockdown measures, will be demanding their governments to look towards Sweden. But only time will tell whether Sweden’s strategy was better than other countries https://en.as.com/en/2020/05/18/other_sports/1589796373_875369.html
I thought Sweden was supposed to be half dead by now? And Georgia? Just what in the holy hell is going on over there? Weren't we supposed to see deaths spike? Remember this gem on Georgia from our resident "everyone is going to die unless we listen to the 'experts'" poster on April 21?
Fortunately the majority of citizens in Georgia are ignoring their Governor since they don't trust him and are still being cautious and staying at home. Why don't you comment on how Georgia is deliberately putting forward fake COVID-19 case and death numbers in the attempt to make it look like the numbers are declining. To the point of setting the values to zero for the five counties with the largest numbers of cases. Tell us about how the Governor has apologized multiple times over the past few days for this grievous situation while claiming he would fix the situation (note nothing has been fixed yet). Tell us how it is proper for a Governor to deliberately fudge COVID-19 data to drive his political agenda. This is why the citizens of Georgia are staying home and don't trust him.
‘Mortified and Appalled’: Atlanta Rages as Governor Eases Lockdown One resident chalked up Georgia’s plan to reopen the state from COVID-19 shutdown to “absolutely nothing but greed and the desire to kiss the president’s ass.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/atlanta-rages-as-georgia-gov-kemp-eases-covid-19-lockdown Yes.. most cities and towns in Georgia are urging their residents to stay at home and ignore the governor's order. Most are following the advice to stay home.