In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Jem,

    People in California should only be worrying about what's occurring in California right now while its being stressed by Covid-19 in the hospitals and ICU's...
    • Not worry about Sweden...a country they do not reside nor a citizen of the country...most likely does not personally know anyone in Sweden.
    In other Sweden news...

    I watched a great hockey game last night on TV at the IIHF Junior World Championships between Finland and Sweden. Finland beat the Sweden 3 : 2

    I thought Sweden would be good enough to medal this year with their strong team.

    wrbtrader
     
    #2161     Jan 3, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden crisis worsens after its anti-lockdown stance proven a failure
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/sw...-proven-a-failure/SSQ4IDZ5UPTHMDWE3753KB43LU/

    It's a grim time of year to be living in Sweden.

    Winter days are typically short in Scandinavia, but Stockholm was so dark in early December that through the first 10 days it had yet to log a single hour of sunlight, according to the country's meteorological institute.

    At this time of year the sun only rises above the horizon for about six hours a day in the Swedish capital, but during December it was especially gloomy.

    On one day, the sun rose at 8.33am and set again just after 2pm, according to AFP. During that day, it was covered by thick clouds.

    The atmosphere outdoors is a mirror to the bleak situation the country is facing during a spike in cases it hoped to avoid by taking its own unique course through the Covid-19 pandemic – a course we now know was doomed to fail from the beginning.

    In mid-December, it was revealed that Sweden had not only failed to defeat the virus through its herd-immunity strategy – a strategy that divided leaders around the world – but that its healthcare system was being crippled by a surge in patient numbers.

    According to Bloomberg, Sweden is currently facing a shortage of healthcare workers and being forced to consider outside help from its neighbours in Finland.

    Sineva Ribeiro, the chairwoman of the Swedish Association of Health Professionals, said the situation is "terrible".

    And Stockholm County Mayor Irene Svenonius called it "extremely tense".

    "There's fatigue. You can't ignore that, so it's extremely important to get more people," she said.

    Finland offered to free up space in its hospitals for ICU patients from Sweden but there was no deal struck immediately.

    Sweden already has one of the highest death rates in Europe. Of its 10 million people, around 8300 had died from Covid-19 by late December.

    Stockholm's healthcare director Bjorn Eriksson said: "This is exactly the development we didn't want to see.

    "It shows that we Stockholmers have crowded too much, and have had too much contact outside of the households we live in."



    The nation's casual response included leaving Swedes to determine for themselves whether they should wear masks or socially distance.

    It was in keeping with the country's relaxed approach where strict rules are replaced by encouragement to do the right thing.

    David Steadson, a former epidemiologist from the University of Queensland, has called Sweden home for 20 years.

    He told news.com.au earlier in the year that the country was suffering because it refused to take the pandemic as seriously as its neighbours had.

    Steadson, who himself became infected in March and is still suffering from Covid-19 symptoms including shortness of breath, said he was shocked by the reaction from doctors when he was first diagnosed.

    "Having suspected I had Covid-19, I was told not to even go to the doctor for fear of infecting health staff," he said.

    Steadson said what was perhaps even more concerning was the portrayal of the virus in Sweden's media.

    "Media outlets seem more concerned with protecting Sweden's image than they do in reporting the facts, and challenging the authorities over some of the frankly outrageous statements they make is left almost entirely to foreign journalists," he said.

    Dr Nick Talley, editor-in-chief of the Medical Journal of Australia, said the Swedish model had been a failure.

    "In my view, the Swedish model has not been a success, at least to date," he told news.com.au.

    "One clear goal at least early on was [to] reach herd immunity – but this was not achieved, not even close, and this was arguably predictable.

    "There were restrictions put in place but the philosophy was voluntary rather than compulsory. There is evidence there was a major impact of this voluntary lockdown on behaviour as reflected in, for example, reduced mobility and spending. However the spread of Covid-19 and the death rate was substantially higher in Sweden compared with its neighbours who mandated lockdowns.

    "A major contributor to the failure of the voluntary approach was spread of infection into homes for the elderly. Young people also appear to have been the least likely to alter their behaviour which may have contributed to community spread."
     
    #2162     Jan 3, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden’s Covid-19 failures have exposed the myths of the lockdown-sceptics
    The “herd immunity” strategy that led to a disastrous Swedish death rate would have been even more dangerous in the UK.
    https://www.newstatesman.com/world/...failures-have-exposed-myths-lockdown-sceptics

    Many strange things happened in 2020, but one of the strangest was the romance between Britain’s Covid-sceptics and Sweden. It turned out to be an ill-fated one, ending in tragedy, but it was intense while it lasted.

    For much of this year, those who object to measures to control the virus have hailed Sweden as a libertarian paradise, supposedly showing us how Covid-19 could be kept under control without intrusive government restrictions.

    Of late, these champions have fallen silent. It’s not hard to explain why. Recent days have seen Sweden’s Nordic neighbours Finland and Norway offering emergency medical assistance as Stockholm’s hospitals have been overwhelmed, infections and deaths have spiked dramatically upward, and the King of Sweden has made an unprecedented criticism of the government’s bungled strategy.

    Unprecedented, but hardly surprising: Sweden has suffered a death rate that is roughly ten times that of neighbouring Norway and nine times that of Finland. A searing government report concluded the state had failed to protect the vulnerable. Mats Persson, a former UK government adviser, said of his home country: “For a social model largely designed around the state levelling the odds and caring for the vulnerable, this will leave a very difficult moral legacy.”

    Sweden was praised to the skies by Covid-sceptics. In May, Sherelle Jacobs wrote in the Daily Telegraph that “the more time goes on, the more Sweden looks like a success story… Sweden is in a much stronger long-term position than lockdown countries.” Meanwhile, Christopher Snowdon of the Institute of Economic Affairs told us that Sweden had demonstrated “a more sensible way to balance risk, liberty and the economy”.

    [See also: How Sweden is being forced to abandon its failing Covid-19 strategy]

    To understand the magnitude of what’s gone wrong, it’s worth noting that Sweden started the pandemic with several huge advantages. First, it’s a far less urban nation than the UK,for example, and the virus spreads much more rapidly in dense, built-up areas. While the UK has 273 people per square kilometre, Sweden has just 25.

    Second, Sweden has the highest rate of people living alone in the world: 42.5 per cent of households are single people, compared to just 29.9 per cent in the UK. Obviously, it’s much easier for the virus to spread within the home, and places with large, multigenerational households suffer most.

    To form an idea of the consequences that would have followed if the UK had followed the Swedish model, you would need to compare Sweden’s outcomes to its similar neighbours. Given the country’s death rate is ten times higher, imagine the chaos we’d have seen if we had multiplied the UK death rate by a factor of ten.

    Nor has there been an economic upside for Sweden: in fact, they saw a bigger hit to their economy than their neighbours, as well as much worse health outcomes. The Swedish virologist Lena Einhorn concluded: “Sweden’s strategy has proven to be a dramatic failure.”

    This matters, not only because health and lives are in danger, but also because the Swedish experiment reveals the failures of the underlying theories of Covid-sceptics.

    Sweden’s controversial state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell predicted in the summer that because the country had a high rate of infection in the spring, it would have “a high level of immunity and the number of cases [in the winter] will probably be quite low”.

    We now know he was disastrously wrong. But he wasn’t alone; his theory was exactly the same as that still relied upon by the UK’s Covid-sceptics.

    Sunetra Gupta, a lead author of the “Great Barrington Declaration”, promised in May that, in the UK, “the epidemic has largely come and is on its way out in this country… due to the build-up of immunity”. One leading Covid-sceptic, Michael Yeadon, wrote that thanks to “prior immunity”, “the pandemic is effectively over.”

    It’s these same failed theories that still lead Covid-sceptics to argue it is safe to let the virus rip and attempt to shelter the old and vulnerable.

    One baffling feature of 2020 was that so much energy was wasted puffing up Sweden, while countries such as Australia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and New Zealand revealed to us genuinely successful models based on hard suppression of the virus with decisive action: all suffered a fraction of the European average rate of coronavirus cases.

    There is, of course, no scope for triumphalism here. But when we look for models to learn from, it isn’t Swedish lessons we need. The better lesson is the simpler one, taught by our antipodean cousins: wallop the virus as hard as you can.
     
    #2163     Jan 4, 2021
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  4. jem

    jem

    still holding true...
    Below germany...
    not single specific day with over 100 deaths yet alone multiple days of that in a row.

    Once again we prove the moron GWB lied his ass off...
    about the data that he reads.


     
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    #2164     Jan 5, 2021
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Plenty of posts with evidence of this. I don't think it needs to be proven anymore.
     
    #2165     Jan 5, 2021
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  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    There's going to be more articles like this than just a dozen or so right now that have recently come out about what happen in Sweden's failed herd immunity experiment including more scientific data now that Sweden has itself as evidence.

    The most evidence involve the economic of the failed experiment because it was suppose to be as a way to avoid / prevent damaging the economy and prevent causing other health crisis issues.

    So far, the economic damage has been the same as other Scandinavian countries that did lockdown.

    I'm more interested to see statistics out of Sweden about suicide rates, depression and so on to see how they compared to their Scandinavian neighbors and itself in comparison to recent prior years.

    I think its either February or March that Sweden's releases those particular statistics.

    wrbtrader
     
    #2166     Jan 5, 2021
  7. jem

    jem

    So lying moron... gwBE-lying...

    On December 23, 2020... you wrote..."Just a hint... every day recently reports over 100 new COVID deaths in Sweden..."

    Please show us your data... show us a period of time during the second wave Sweden had more than 100 deaths.

    Using both the official data and the 7 day average of deaths Johns Hopkins data... at ourworldindata...


    there has never been in 1 day above 100 deaths so far this second wave yet alone everyday.

    So once again let me explain you are a proven liar.
    You were confusing every other day or less frequent batched data...
    And... you lied about it being everyday.





     
    #2167     Jan 5, 2021
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So tell us.... how many COVID deaths did Sweden report today?

    At this point the numbers are so obvious to rational people it is not worth pursuing a discussion with you.

    Get it through your thick head... Sweden has abandoned its "herd immunity" strategy with the Prime Minister stating is was a complete failure. The country is instituting restrictions and lockdowns to deal with COVID. The era of "no lockdowns", "only lockdown the at-risk" and the "Great Barrington Declaration" is over. All of these failed ideas which cost many lives have been buried in the dustbin of history.
     
    #2168     Jan 5, 2021
  9. jem

    jem

    gwBE-evading
    gwBe-lying... always.

    You tell us... using you preferred data...
    how many were reported for December 23 and December 22 and 21 and 20th.. and give us the link so we can see for ourselves.

    If you don't we will all know you were lying... as usual.


     
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    #2169     Jan 5, 2021
  10. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Watch the total deaths in Sweden for the year turn out to be like 96k.
    A year after an unseasonably low death number of 88k.
    When the average annual death number should be around 92k.

    And they will have done it without masks or lockdowns.

    Sweden was ALWAYS the model.
     
    #2170     Jan 5, 2021