In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Seeing the Case Fatality Rate for COVID is above 2% — you obviously don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
     
    #2081     Dec 18, 2020
  2. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Yeah and 1% of the world has COVID.
    If you believe that then you don’t understand how viruses work.
     
    #2082     Dec 18, 2020
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  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The estimated Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) in the U.S. for COVID is currently 0.6%. This means that 0.6% of the people estimated to be infected with COVID die. That is a significantly high rate.... and certainly demonstrates that COVID does not have a "survivability rate of 99.98%". You are pushing complete nonsense.
     
    #2083     Dec 19, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    It is a few steps beyond "isn't paying off" in Sweden. Their prime minister called their COVID approach a complete failure. Their leading medical group is calling their COVID approach a "disaster" and demanding strong restrictions nationwide immediately.

    The Swedish model: a year on, the unique pandemic approach still isn’t paying off
    As its hospitals fill up to capacity and intensive care beds are running out, Sweden is starting to sidetrack from its initial approach.
    https://www.zmescience.com/other/pieces/swedish-pandemic-model-18122020/
     
    #2084     Dec 19, 2020
  5. jem

    jem

    Look at that...
    Sweden drops below Germany today... in Covid deaths per million
    (using your favorite Johns Hopkins data.)


    You are such a moron geBe-lying...
    Will this last... don't know. Unfortunately the virus is still trending up strongly... exploding in my book...

    as it is in most big countries.

    But.. clearly there is something wrong with your brain... if you think Sweden is doing so much worse than Germany.


    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...othing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc
     
    #2085     Dec 19, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's wait till the latest death data from Sweden is tabulated for the recent couple day period. Bottom line -- neither country is looking good. And many other countries are not looking good in this new wave and the situation is only getting worse in northern hemisphere countries worldwide.

    So tell us how the ICUs in Germany are doing compared to Sweden?
    While you are at it -- can you tell us about Sweden's plans for vaccinating people. Do they even have vaccination centers set-up yet? (Well - no). Germany has 60 regional mass vaccination centers set-up and ready to go.
     
    #2086     Dec 19, 2020
  7. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Yeah...6 out of 1000 people die from COVID.
    I estimate that the estimated IFR is so completely off..
    Even the CDC best estimates have the IFR at the following for the age ranges in their best case estimates with Ro at 2.5:
    0-19 years: 0.00003
    20-49 years: 0.0002
    50-69 years: 0.005
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...bUDTKBckeBAfqudrtvzWfQhYiUfHeEhCFeg5UXzalabGg

    COVID kills old and sick people.
    Wait a second - isn’t that what VIRUSES do???
    “Ah let’s panic and change our way of life!!!”
    Says the stupidest motherfuckers alive.
     
    #2087     Dec 19, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You are pushing the planning scenarios nonsense again simply looking at one of the five planning scenarios proposed. Your numbers are complete junk -- they are not the actual numbers --- merely numbers from a planning scenario.

    Let's take a look at the actual estimated U.S. Infection Fatality Rate numbers in the U.S.

    The CDC has estimated that the nationwide IFR for the United States is 0.65 percent.

    The CDC's Latest Antibody Data Confirm Huge Interstate Differences in COVID-19 Fatality Rates
    The findings suggest that people infected in Connecticut were 10 times as likely to die as people infected in Utah or Oregon.
    https://reason.com/2020/10/20/the-c...state-differences-in-covid-19-fatality-rates/

    The latest data from antibody studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) across the country confirm that the death rate among Americans infected by the COVID-19 virus varies very widely from one state to another. The CDC's prevalence estimates for August, combined with contemporaneous death counts, suggest that the infection fatality rate (IFR) was at least 10 times higher in Connecticut than in Idaho, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, or Utah, for example.

    The CDC estimated the number of people who had been infected in each state based on antibody screening of blood samples drawn for routine diagnostic tests unrelated to COVID-19. Those patients may not have been representative of the general population, and the number of samples tested was relatively small in most states, leading to wide confidence intervals. Still, the CDC's numbers give us a sense of the gap between confirmed cases and total infections (including cases with mild or no symptoms) in each state. I combined those estimates with the death tolls reported by Worldometer as of August 15 to estimate IFRs.

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    The estimated IFRs range from less than 0.4 percent in Idaho, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, and Utah to 3.8 percent in Connecticut. Most states (27) had estimated IFRs below 1 percent, although 20 reached or exceeded that threshold. The CDC did not report prevalence estimates for Hawaii, South Dakota, or Wyoming.

    Based on data from other countries, the CDC has estimated that the nationwide IFR for the United States is 0.65 percent, although the estimate varies dramatically with age, from 0.003 percent among people 19 or younger to 5.4 percent among people in their 70s. If you look at the 10 states with the biggest populations, you can see that the estimated IFR based on the CDC's prevalence numbers is similar to the CDC's nationwide IFR estimate in Texas, Pennsylvania, and Georgia; lower in California; and higher in New York, Florida, Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, and Michigan.

    The estimated IFR for New York, the state with the highest infection rate, is 0.75 percent. That IFR is somewhat higher than the estimate suggested by an antibody study that the New York State Department of Health conducted in April, when it put statewide infection prevalence at 14 percent, compared to the CDC's estimate of 22.5 percent in August.

    Given the uncertainties of extrapolating from the blood samples analyzed by the CDC, which were not randomly drawn from the general population, we should not put too much stock in these state-specific IFR estimates. But the high estimated IFRs for Northeastern states such as Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island are consistent with their high case fatality rates (deaths as a share of confirmed cases). Conversely, the lower IFR estimates for states such as Arkansas, California, Idaho, Kansas, Nebraska, Oregon, Tennessee, and Utah are consistent with their lower case fatality rates.

    Why do COVID-19 patients fare so much worse in some states than others? Possible explanations include age demographics, the prevalence of preexisting medical conditions, the quality and capacity of local health care systems (including the extent to which they are strained by the pandemic), and population density, which not only makes it easier for the virus to move from person to person but may result in larger virus doses and more dangerous infections. Another factor could be the timing of each state's epidemic, since the development of more effective treatments may have improved outcomes for people infected more recently.
     
    #2088     Dec 19, 2020
  9. jem

    jem

    No.. no no.
    You don't get to play that game and make that argument with Johns Hopkins data...


    They don't break out that data and reconcile it to the date of death the way Sweden does it on their official website.

    That is how it is today. That is today's report.

    In a few days... Sweden may do worse or better. Germany may do worse or better.. .but that is how it is today with Johns Hopkins data.






     
    #2089     Dec 19, 2020
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You better go read the John Hopkins note about data from Sweden -- regarding their reporting cycle as well as the John Hopkins allocation delay. While John Hopkins is faster to do the data-of-death allocation than the Swedish government -- they are still reliant on the reporting cycle and data reported on the 18th is actually for allocation of deaths that occurred the previous day (the 17th) and before.
     
    #2090     Dec 19, 2020