In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Obviously the way you are advocating is impractical almost nobody is taking you up on it. Do you not think the medical community has considered all options ?
     
    #1901     Dec 12, 2020
  2. jem

    jem

    No country has tried what I am advocating now.
    Where the hell do you get that idea?

    Sweden has done as well with their more relaxed approach as the EU as a whole and many countries in the EU. So... I have no idea where you think you have made anything close to a sound argument.


    Finally the kids have not been fine.
    People are still dying.
    The high risk are still getting sick.
    Its insane... to think that worked.

    Plus the healthy have been seriously harmed... by the very incompetent response of govt all over the world. And the response you have advocated has clearly failed.

    To the point where we are now... which is not good... unless the vaccine works.



     
    #1902     Dec 12, 2020
  3. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    That's an excellent example out of many in which a government can not isolate the high risk because the government can not isolate those that care for the high risk.

    Simply, Covid-19 is brought into the the Longterm Care Facilities by someone that's asymptomatic or showing no symptoms that then spreads it to the elderly living at the nursing homes.

    There's a longterm care facility near my area that's privately manage. They test their employees every day and each employee are designated to specific group of elderly to make it easier for any contact tracing.

    Any employee that test positive must quarantine for 14 days and are reported to the health officials for contact tracing. They are only allowed to return to work after testing negative again.

    So far, that they have not had a single elderly patient become infected with Covid-19 to contrast other facilities that have had multiple outbreaks throughout this Pandemic because they do not test the employees.

    wrbtrader
     
    #1903     Dec 12, 2020
  4. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    Isolating the "high risk" would have to include guys like Rudy and Trump. Good luck rounding them all up and locking them up; good luck dealing with the arguments about who is "high risk" or not and their related freedoms.
     
    #1904     Dec 12, 2020
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  5. jem

    jem

    Here is my last point of day.


    If I you knew that deaths would be reaching all time highs...
    That the high risk were at risk of running out of hospital space....
    After the quiet summer we had...

    Would you consider the last round of lockdown a success?

    Of course not.
    You all are supporting failed policies.
     
    #1905     Dec 12, 2020
  6. jem

    jem

    damn right... they are high risk.
    I can not believe Rudy ran around the way he did.
    He brain power has seriously diminished over time.



     
    #1906     Dec 12, 2020
  7. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    I have made a very sound argument based on actual medical community research. You just don't understand it, preferring instead to flail away with your theories calling everyone a moron who disagrees with you. Plus periodic whining about how hard done you are projecting that onto other people like the "kids". Enough already this got stupid months ago. Time to stfu and realize this is all beyond your pay scale.
     
    #1907     Dec 12, 2020
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  8. jem

    jem

    Actual medical research... really.
    You all were locking us down during the time of year... the virus does not spread easily.

    So fucking stupid...
    De Prado... got this right in April.

    Your team... has led us to this disaster...we are experiencing now... with your "medical research".

    you are a mushroom.... kept in the dark and fed a lot of shit.
    And you think its good for you.

    The second wave is much worse than the first.
    Your programs failed.
    How can you all not see that?


     
    #1908     Dec 12, 2020
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The lockdowns failed because we re-opened before there was adequate Contact Tracing and Testing in place -- as well as re-opening too quickly. Leading scientists involved in infectious diseases stated early on this would be the result in the United State and in many other countries. The results should not be a surprise when you fail to lockdown properly.

    If we had proper leadership in the U.S. the lockdows would have done properly aligned with science and the best public health practices. Instead due to poor leadership we got the mess we have now.
     
    #1909     Dec 12, 2020
  10. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I asked him once a long while back...he didn't answer. Soon after that, he publicly stated he doesn't read my message posts. I then put him on ignore but only after I saw him publicly use profanity lace insults toward other members.

    Elderly needs care...they can not do it by themself which then implies someone must interact with them. That someone must be negative for Covid-19 and must have constant testing just like those NBA basketball players were given in the playoffs.

    Those that tested positive...they were isolated in their hotel room and not allow to interact with other players.

    Not sure why the same policy can not be apply to LTC facilities. Oh wait, there's no contact tracing, inadequate protection for the employees, no daily disinfection services, no bubble in which the employees do not leave the bubble...

    That's why we can not isolate the high risk individuals that includes normal people with underlying medical conditions and they are not elderly. :D

    wrbtrader
     
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    #1910     Dec 12, 2020