This is what I do not understand...if Sweden is the model and doing so well...why are their ICU workers quitting ??? Answer - Sweden's fight against Covid-19 is not working and they're not the model to follow. Swedish Covid-19 workers are quitting, leaving ICUs short-staffed The bigger concern now is whether Sweden has enough healthcare workers with the skills needed to look after the country's sickest patients.PHOTO: AFP Published 6 hours ago STOCKHOLM (BLOOMBERG) - Sweden faces a shortage of healthcare workers as the number of resignations ticks up after a relentless year of caring for Covid-19 patients. Chairman of the Swedish Association of Health Professionals Sineva Ribeiro says the situation is "terrible". Even before the first wave of the pandemic back in March, there was "a shortage of specialist nurses, including at ICUs", she said in a phone interview. The development shows that even countries with universal healthcare systems are now struggling to keep up with the Covid-19 crisis. This week, Stockholm's intensive care capacity hit 99 per cent, sending the city into a panic and prompting calls for outside help. But even if more ICU beds are provided, the bigger concern now is whether Sweden has enough healthcare workers with the skills needed to look after the country's sickest patients. Ms Ribeiro says that already back in May, members of her union "warned of an untenable situation". There are fewer qualified people available now than there were in the spring, "which makes it harder to expand ICU capacity," she said. Healthcare professionals have emerged as the heroes of the Covid-19 crisis, often drawing cheers from grateful onlookers as they emerge from hospitals after long and gruelling shifts. But increasingly, staff are so desperate for some real time off that they see resignation as the only way out, Ms Ribeiro said. A survey by broadcaster TV4 showed that in 13 of Sweden's 21 regions, resignations in the healthcare profession are now up from a year ago, at as many as 500 a month. The Army Stockholm County Mayor Irene Svenonius says the situation is "extremely tense", In an interview with Dagens Nyheter on Friday, she acknowledged that healthcare workers are overworked, and that there's a need to add staff. "There's fatigue," she said. "You can't ignore that, so it's extremely important to get more people." It's uncertain where that extra capacity will come from. Stockholm has asked for additional healthcare staff from Sweden's armed forces, but it's not clear the military has the resources to help. Sweden, which has avoided a lockdown since the pandemic started, may now need to turn to its Nordic neighbors for assistance. The worry is that, despite scientific strides that allow medics to better understand and treat Covid-19, there aren't enough professionals left to put that knowledge into practice. "We don't have the staff to do it," Ms Ribeiro said. She described the current healthcare crisis facing the country as "unprecedented". Part of the problem is that nurses in particular are increasingly unwilling to subject themselves to the hours and conditions facing them during the Covid-19 crisis, given the average pay level. Ms Sara Nordin, once an assistant nurse at an intensive care unit, told Bloomberg in October that she quit because she couldn't make ends meet on the US$33,600 (S$44,900) basic pay she got a year. "I talked to members in August who said they would resign because it was the only way to get some time off and recover," Ms Ribeiro said. "We see high rates of sickness, symptoms of exhaustion and members who have been infected." For Sweden, the danger now is that more people will die because there aren't enough qualified healthcare professionals left to look after them. "In a work environment where you are so tired, the risk of mistakes increases," MS Ribeiro said. "And those mistakes can lead to patients dying." https://www.straitstimes.com/world/...rkers-are-quitting-leaving-icus-short-staffed ------- wrbtrader
You've got the people that instituted the policy calling it a complete failure, yet you're out here defending said failure because you're too Chickenshit to stay inside
We have idiot leftist the world over... treated like mushrooms... and supporting that shit they were being fed. Rather than saying... lets actually prevent the high risk from contracting the virus. We have followed useless polices which have not prevented the high risk from getting sick and dying. Now... because this shit (which it was and I explain later) was so mismanaged by our leaders... we have to take extraordinary measures... to ease the demand on hospitals. But... again any person with a brain would ask....If we care about the high risk and we care about kids... Why the hell are high risk people still getting this virus. a. The high risk should not be dying... b. They should not be taking up ICU beds c. They should not be contracting the virus. 1. The high risk should have been isolating as I stated perhaps 100 times. Unfortunately Face masks encourage the high to go out and risk contracting the virus. Face masks make the high risk think family members can go out in the world and return home safely. (this is a disaster for multigenerational homes) 2. Our borders should be shut. 3. We should have been testing and tracing for clusters and locking them done in local areas... as that happened. And we have idiot leftist the world over... treated like mushrooms... and supporting that shit they were being fed. Rather than saying... lets actually prevent the high risk from contracting the virus.
Once again -- it is impossible to isolate the high risk. The very concept is a fantasy. The proper option is to lower the COVID infection level through ALL of society via proper public health practices to address a pandemic. Let's take a look at yet another example of why "isolating the high risk" never works when facing a highly infectious disease. 23 people in nursing homes have died after 3 staffers attend 300-person wedding Between the two Grant County facilities — Lake Ridge Center and Columbia Crest Center — officials have reported 23 deaths. https://www.today.com/health/23-people-nursing-homes-have-died-after-3-staffers-attend-t203735
Has anyone at any time in this thread seen Jem address HOW we "take care of the high risk"? How could half the population of the USA nearly be isolated from the rest. He knows he can't answer this. I would suggest all ask him to give his plan with specifics. He just ignores every request for even the project outline. As an experience PM, I can't see how it could be done without descending into a tragedy, others can't. But Jem has all here strung along by repeating this impossible thing.
gwBe-not thinking illustrates the type of shit for brains thinking and argumentation we have been getting from the media and politicians. That ass wipe of an argument is an argument by anecdote. We have to think in terms of probabilities and harm saved. We don't expect perfect execution. But... we should deploy the best strategies targeted to protecting the high risk. Not some amorphous round about garbage like we have been doing. And if the first round of isolation is not strong enough.. If the high risk are still getting sick in high numbers... We immediately go to stronger isolation. What we have been doing... what gwBe-lying had advocated...the German model... failed... miserably. Its not even outperforming Sweden in terms of deaths per million per day. (right now.) So we have to do better. Isolate the high risk. Like some of the high risk I know. 1. Nursing homes... must screen everyone who comes through the door for temperature. Nursing home staff must agree to follow behavior. 2. The high risk not in nursing homes... must isolate themselves from family members and cease leaving the house. Surfaces in shared rooms if the high risk person goes into the kitchen when no one is home must be scrubbed. Windows must be left open while the non high risk are in the home. Fans must be on. When the low risk come home... they must take off their clothes in garage or first room...that the high risk never go in... and then shower. Sensible things that could be done... rather than the bullshit we have seen. If that does not work.. Then full isolation.
Let's try this.... name a single country -- just one where "isolating the high risk" has worked for COVID? Just one? Certainly failed badly in Sweden and everywhere else.
Many months ago, the consensus medical community relayed an important message that you apparently missed. Based on their research on history, they discovered two things : 1. Any attempts to isolate the "high risk" and allow the 'low risk" to operate normally in a pandemic almost always failed. The virus found a way to cross over. 2. Herd immunity without a vaccine never worked without massive casualties. You simply can't ignore this and carry on like you know better then they do. Go ahead, show some working examples where this was not true. There are plenty of examples where what they said was true. Sweden was a somewhat isolated country that I believe has a fairly socially responsible community and a strong health care system. And now we are seeing that they remained fortunate in the summer but the full brunt of Covid has hit them now. Your assumptions on why their experience was so good in the summer was clearly wrong. You just seem inflexible and bull headed on anything Covid, calling anyone who disagrees with you a moron or worse. As many of us said earlier this year, every community/state/country has the freedom to respond to Covid as they wish, subject of course to how the public behaves. You take your chances and deal with the consequences. I don't see how your approach in San Diego has worked out for you, but it was your choice as part of the public, and no amount of whining about the consequences is going to help you at this point. Whatever you got will be with you or worse for at least a month more at all times. Bringing up the "kids" is very lame. The "kids" will be fine if the adults around them act responsibly and deal with Covid effectively. It's a slow learning curve in the US and a tragedy so many are getting sick and dying when the vaccines are coming very soon.
1. First all all nobody has isolated the high risk the way I am advocating... 2. Your model failed... period. As predicted.
Sweden attempted to isolate the high risk just the way you are advocating while letting everyone else freely circulate COVID within their society. Of course, this completely failed. It is time you stop pushing fantasies in regards to COVID -- and recognize reality.