In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. jem

    jem

    I provided the link to the official govt website to you... when you were lying about how many deaths happened on a particular day...

    Everything you are writing is a complete misrepresentation of the argument.
    You pretended you read the Swedish website and that it confirmed a new high in deaths.

    You were lying and I proved it.

    Would you like to bet... $100,000 dollars... on whether I can prove that?


     
    #1831     Dec 7, 2020
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Enough of your nonsense... I will let rational people go back and read the posts and decide for themselves.

    Now once again.... you understand the chart you provided today as "proof" only goes to December 2nd. Let's see if you understand -- how many days ago is December 2nd? Can you do basic math?
     
    #1832     Dec 7, 2020
  3. jem

    jem

    Bet the money you fricken liar.
    I will pay for the costs of the escrow.

    How about... a different bet... if you don't have the money to stand behind your lies.

    If I prove you were caught lying about deaths reaching new highs...
    You will leave this site until the covid crisis is over.

    If I do not prove it... I will leave until the covid crisis is over.


     
    #1833     Dec 7, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Good luck with your fantasies.

    I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain this to you properly.
     
    #1834     Dec 7, 2020
  5. jem

    jem

    Make one the bets you fricken proven lying sack of shit.

    geBe-lying...


    All you have is crayons on your brain...
    because if you were not lying you would have taken my bet for $100,000 dollars.




     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2020
    #1835     Dec 7, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    COVID Central Sweden - Infection Rate overtakes UK, Germany, and Spain...

    Lockdown finally looms for Sweden as it suffers more than DOUBLE the number of Covid cases per capita than Britain, Germany or Spain
    • Sweden's infection rate is higher than in Britain, France, Spain, Italy or Germany
    • Average daily deaths are once again above those in Denmark, Norway or Finland
    • Gatherings have been limited to eight people, compared to 50 in the spring
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...fection-rate-soars-Britain-Germany-Spain.html

    7 December 2020
    Lockdown is finally looming in Sweden with coronavirus infection rates now more than double that of Britain, Germany or Spain and its death rate once again the highest among Nordic nations.

    Some parts of Sweden have infection rates similar to the worst hotspots in Europe, and cases have yet to start falling after the second wave as they have in Britain, France and many other European countries.

    After Sweden's death rate fell to similar levels to Denmark, Norway and Finland over the summer, it is now once again the highest of the four, with 1,000 new deaths recorded in the last month.

    While Sweden is still holding out against full lockdown, its measures during the second wave have more closely resembled those in the rest of Europe, with schools closed, alcohol sales restricted and gatherings limited to eight people.

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    Sweden's avearge infection rate per million people is now higher than in Britain, France, Spain, Italy or Germany, having been the lowest of the five as recently as November 2. It comes as Sweden imposes tougher measures than in the spring, including an eight-person limit on public gatherings

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    After falling to very low levels during the summer, Sweden's death rate has risen sharply again, with an average of 55 deaths per day in the last week

    Sweden began the autumn with figures as low as 100 cases and only a handful of deaths per day, having brought numbers down from their summer peak without going into lockdown.

    But cases have been rising relentlessly since late September, passing 5,000 cases per day last week, giving Sweden a higher infection rate than any major country in Western Europe.

    Sweden's current rate of 346 cases per 100,000 people in a week is more than double that in Germany (155), Britain (151) or Spain (121).

    As recently as November 2, Sweden's infection rate was lower than in Britain, France, Germany, Italy or Spain, but much of Europe has seen cases fall back again after imposing new lockdowns.

    In Sweden, the rate of increase has slowed but cases have yet to come down, with last week seeing a new high of 35,783 new infections.

    Skane county which includes Malmo and Helsingborg is now thought to have a similar level of contagion to the worst-hit places in Europe, said statistician Henrik Persson, according to Expressen.

    Deaths have also climbed steadily, with the overall death toll passing 7,000 on Thursday - more than Denmark, Norway and Finland put together.

    Sweden's current average is 55 deaths per day, up from 12 only a month ago although still lower than the peak of 107 at the height of the crisis in April.

    When adjusted for population, Sweden's overall death rate is no worse than in the major countries of Western Europe such as Britain and France.

    But after the latest surge in cases, Sweden's infection rate is now higher than in Britain, France, Germany, Italy or Spain.

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    Some parts of Sweden have infection rates comparable to some of the hardest-hit places in Europe, which are shown in darker colours on this map

    Theatres, libraries and concert halls in Helsingborg have closed, and some schools have been affected by outbreaks affected as many as one in three staff.

    Monday is the first day of the high school closures across Sweden which are expected to last until January 6. Nurseries and primary schools will remain open.

    PM Stefan Lofven announced the closures in order to 'create a slowing effect on the spread of infection', after high schools previously closed from March to June.

    Lofven previously spoke of a 'new norm' for Swedish society in which people were told: 'Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel.'

    Swedish officials have long argued that their strategy is designed for the long term because softer measures will be accepted for longer by the public.

    But Lofven said in November that 'this autumn, too many of us have neglected to follow the advice and recommendations'.

    Lofven told people to 'only get together with those you live with', or no more than 'one or two friends' for people who live alone.

    The limit on public gatherings was slashed from 300 to eight as infections rose sharply in November.

    During the spring, the limit on public gatherings was 50, and Stockholm parks were full of people even at the height of the lockdowns in the rest of Europe.

    Alcohol sales have also been stopped after 10pm in a restriction similar to the measures that many European countries have imposed during the second wave.

    However, Sweden's public health agency has continued to play down the effectiveness of face masks.

    The agency cites limited evidence of their effectiveness and fears that masks might be used as an excuse to not isolate when experiencing symptoms.

    'Face masks may be needed in some situations. Those situations have not arisen in Sweden yet,' chief epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said on Thursday.

    'All studies so far suggest that it is much more important to keep your distance than to have a face mask,' he said.

    Tegnell has come under scrutiny at home and abroad after spearheading the no-lockdown strategy.

    However, the Swedish economy has been cushioned by the less draconian measures and is projected by the Riksbank to shrink by only 4.0 per cent this year.

    The European Central Bank has estimated the eurozone economy will contract 8.0 per cent, while Britain's GDP is forecast to fall by 11.0 per cent.

    Sweden now hopes to begin vaccinations in late December or early 2021, having signed up for five of the six jabs in the EU's common procurement scheme.
     
    #1836     Dec 7, 2020
  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Sweden was willing to try the Herd Immunity Experiment on their citizens.

    I wonder how long will it take them to try the Face Mask Wearing Experiment ???

    I posted several weeks ago here in this thread an article that specifically named several Swedish health officials that was identifying the current rise in infections and hospitalizations due to Covid-19 fatique from the restrictions from early in the Pandemic.

    It took me a minute to think about that statement...Sweden did not lockdown nor had any restrictions. In fact, early in the Pandemic the only restrictions was the borders were closed by neighboring countries.

    Simply, there was no Covid-19 fatigue but the current growing restrictions may later produce Covid-19 fatigue.

    wrbtrader
     
    #1837     Dec 7, 2020
  8. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    This guy still doesn’t understand that cases don’t matter.
    Sweden is the model.
     
    #1838     Dec 7, 2020
  9. jem

    jem

    hey moron...
    lets see if you can explain why you are such a douchebag about the
    data on the official site?

    Infections updated on the official site and on worldometer are
    still below (even lower actually but that could change than the high for infections per day on Nov 19th. )

    So still at an inflection area
    and I am hoping infections have peaked... but we will see.



    No idea why you gwBe-Lying
    got so excited about this.
    (How many days ago was December 7th?)
    Why do you hate it when things improve with respect to Covid?
    (even if its temporary)
    Are you sick in the head with fear?




    https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/



     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2020
    #1839     Dec 8, 2020
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Once again - COVID Central Sweden - Infection Rate overtakes UK, Germany, and Spain...

    Lockdown finally looms for Sweden as it suffers more than DOUBLE the number of Covid cases per capita than Britain, Germany or Spain
    • Sweden's infection rate is higher than in Britain, France, Spain, Italy or Germany
    • Average daily deaths are once again above those in Denmark, Norway or Finland
    • Gatherings have been limited to eight people, compared to 50 in the spring
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...fection-rate-soars-Britain-Germany-Spain.html
     
    #1840     Dec 8, 2020