You know what I see ? Restrictions in parts of California are worse then here. Covid exploding in Alberta not in Ontario. The US continuing to post close to triple the death rate of Canada. Sweden having far higher recent infection rates then Canada. But all you have is Covid is "exploding" in Canada lol. Back to what I posted. Time to admit you were wrong about Sweden, if you have any integrity at all.
Sweden continues to do very well. In the face of all the panic mongers who don’t understand science. Yeah masks really work. I have half a dozen studies that they make no difference, too... Yeah lockdowns of health populations really work. Hahahahahahhahhahahhaha. Canada, New Jersey, Peru...all doing so well...LOL! Sweden is the model...
Between you, Gnus and your ideas of "science" makes me laugh. If all the left and right here were on a survival show where you have to figure out how to make a boat or aircraft etc. to get to food from a fixed set of parts, you would be offering blowjobs for hamburgers in an hour and crying into the camera.
These are the same people a few months ago when the curve was flatten that went around ET saying the United States had achieved herd immunity and that Sweden did the same. Same people that said Trump will win the U.S. elections. There's a common theme here being presented by them (lead by Buy1Sell2 whom now rarely shows his face in the Sweden threads) and now most of them can't come to grips that the United States is now ground zero for Covid-19 along with Brazil and India. Seriously, not one of them has admitted that the United States is now ground zero and that many hospitals are reaching "over-capacity" levels...not one of them able to admit to such. They don't realize that people's refusal to understand that if they do the right thing will also prevent the restrictions, growing infections, growing hospitalizations, deaths and more economic problems...retailers already talking about 1 - 2 month everyday black friday days just to get people to shop (in store / online). There's a problem in many countries right now with Covid-19 because of too many people like this in those countries. Pathetic wrbtrader
California is the most mismanaged state I could imagine. Why would you wish to compare Canada to California? Our fucking idiot Governor just got over ruled by our supreme court for violating the U.S. Constitution. 2. I was wrong in believing deaths from Covid were over in Sweden. There seem to be a variety of factors... but I am surprised by the spike up being this large. 3. I was not wrong... about the fact that lockdowns of the low risk when we had the hospital capacity were massively stupid late last spring. Lockdowns all over the world did massive damage.. and there was no upside to them once we had hospital capacity. This is now pretty much proven because the magnitude of the infections in this second wave. Why were we locked down during the warmer weather when our hospitals were empty.. particularly here in Southern California. Why are we locking down the healthy when we have not isolated the high risk and sealed our borders?
Ask jem/gnus about his plan back at the beginning to lock down all of America's vulnerable, pre-existing conditions, elderly etc. This is his solution, you just 'protect' everyone at risk while having all the young and healthy carry a out their business. Except.. He has never explained how one would do that because it would require magic. Its been explained to him over and over that everyone knows the ideal but making it happen without causing mass infections in these (what? Hotels, camps in the desert?) and causing many with dementia to suffer excruciating problems, splitting families.. A millions little things. He can't explain how it could be done and just ignores the practical implementation so he can stay in 'you just...' fantasy land. Any project manager would laugh him out of the room. Jem wanted to do all of that back in April/May before any of what we have learned since then. So a magical fix and stamping his feet and throwing tantrums when you say OK gnus, detail the plan.
1/3 of the population have an underlying medical condition in which many do not realize its there or think its no biggie (e.g. over-weight, borderline diabetes, asthma, cardiovascular disease) and go about their life as normal as anyone else or on medication for treatment... Many of then are not elderly. Simply, locking down or protecting the elderly or those they know that has an underlying medical condition is not the answer because they will leave the rest open for exposure especially those that were screaming to try herd immunity via letting it rip threw society. The United States, Canada and many developed countries had access to the same technology and Pandemic procedures that New Zealand, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea has access to plus they are countries that had leaders that took it very serious in January and February... New Zealand, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea did not have leaders that were downplaying it and did not "discourage" face mask wearing nor make it a political statement that it wearing a face mask takes away your freedom. Ironically, the United States was so worry about wearing a damn face mask and loss of freedom...they still lockdown the damn country along with throwing out the Pandemic pan...literally tossed it in the trash bin. As each day of inaction went by...waiting for the WHO to declare something / anything...other countries didn't wait...they took action. They did that without locking down their economy. Those countries are the models of what to do in a Pandemic...not Sweden. All the bullshit I see in these threads about Sweden is the primary things I see in North America by many in the way they have been approaching this Pandemic and then bitching later about it when someone ask them to wear a face mask, social distancing, wash hands. Sure, all the protesting, riots and rallies across North America didn't help. It was a social conscience of people not caring about that stranger standing next to them and then they willingly took the infection back home without knowing it... To those in their families. The virus then attacked those that were elderly or had an underlying medical condition...a small percentage...now +282k dead and many others (millions) lost their jobs, hospitals reaching over-capacity levels... Oh wait, there's a vaccine coming...it will fix everything and bring back the dead. Maybe its true, Covid-19 is just like the common cold (Buy1Sell2, Turveyd, Fortuneteller and many others liking the statements...some do not live in North America...insane). Other idiots that do wear a face mask...they pull down their face mask to have a conversation with the person standing next them, eat in a restaurant or drink at a bar...complaining later that face masks don't work. What the fuck ? Yet, the declaring of herd immunity in Sweden / United States by a hand full of these types of individuals here at Elitetrader.com (I didn't see it anywhere else in the media) that were advocating herd immunity and now they show up once in awhile to continue their nonsense about "Sweden is the Model" for the rest of the world when the best countries to model in this Pandemic has clearly been New Zealand, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea seems to be ignored by them. You reap what you sow. wrbtrader
Long a Holdout From Covid-19 Restrictions, Sweden Ends Its Pandemic Experiment Government imposes mandatory measures after failing to contain new surge in infections https://www.wsj.com/articles/long-a...eden-ends-its-pandemic-experiment-11607261658 Sweden’s Covid-19 experiment is over. After a late autumn surge in infections led to rising hospitalizations and deaths, the government has abandoned its attempt—unique among Western nations—to combat the pandemic through voluntary measures. Like other Europeans, Swedes are now heading into the winter facing restrictions ranging from a ban on large gatherings to curbs on alcohol sales and school closures—all aimed at preventing the country’s health system from being swamped by patients and capping what is already among the highest per capita death tolls in the world. The clampdown, which started last month, put an end to a hands-off approach that had made the Scandinavian nation a prime example in the often heated global debate between opponents and champions of pandemic lockdowns. (More at above url)
No plan on how it would be done will ever come from Jnus. Speaking of Scandinavia, therefore heavy metal, this is impressive Jump a minute past the intro