In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #1731     Dec 2, 2020
  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Please read the country in the tweet once more. Slow down, GWB. You're getting sloppy.
     
    #1732     Dec 2, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You are correct. I mis-read the country.... but you did post this on the Sweden thread.

    However Switzerland is not looking much better. Still near the peaks.

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    #1733     Dec 2, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #1734     Dec 2, 2020
  5. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    More news from Sweden:
    “Just received reports from the field that this year Sweden is likely to see the lowest number of total deaths in a decade. At last count we were running around 84,000 dead Swedes for the year when we normally see about 90,000 for a full calendar year. But that can’t be right. Sweden is the Ground Zero for all things covid. The stench is unbearable and we buried an entire family this morning. Mother father 2 teenagers a baby and grandma. Yup. All died horrible sniffle deaths from BatAids. When will we attack China for inflicting us with this horrific scourge?l
     
    #1735     Dec 2, 2020
  6. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Covid-19 Ground Zero

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    wrbtrader
     
    #1736     Dec 2, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's look at reality instead of your fantasy. Sweden already has the HIGHEST number of total deaths reported in 150 years. It did not even take the entire year for Sweden to arrive at a death toll record. Your unattributed quote above about the lowest number of total deaths is pure fantasy.

    Let's take a look at all the press about this...


    Sweden’s COVID-19 outbreak leads to highest death toll in 150 years
    https://nypost.com/2020/08/20/swedens-covid-19-outbreak-yields-highest-death-toll-in-150-years/

    Sweden reports highest number of deaths in over a century by 2020
    https://www.plenglish.com/index.php...st-number-of-deaths-in-over-a-century-by-2020

    Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years in first half of 2020
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/europe/sweden-deaths-highest-coronavirus-lockdown-intl/index.html

    Sweden records highest death tally in 150 years
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-idUSKCN25F1YL
     
    #1737     Dec 3, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Jem and others who push false narratives keep popping up and claiming regularly that deaths in Sweden are declining.... then push charts trying to assert that Sweden is doing fine since deaths are declining recent days in their charts.

    I have tried to explain the death reporting cycle in Sweden multiple times and why the charts appear to show a decline in recent days.... to no avail. They just stick with their fabricated narrative and deliberately fail to understand reality.

    As a further explanation... let's read the information from Our World In Data...


    Why do COVID-19 deaths in Sweden always appear to decrease in the last 10 days?
    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-sweden-death-reporting

    There are two ways that COVID-19 deaths can be presented over time: by the date of death, or the date on which the death is reported. Neither of these methods is necessarily better than the other—but it can affect comparisons across countries and over time if these methods are not consistent.

    In the data that we present on Our World in Data, which comes directly from the European CDC, deaths in Sweden are shown by date of death, while deaths in other countries are shown by date of report.

    This matters because it takes a number of days until all deaths for a particular day are reported. In practice this means that Sweden might today only report 10 deaths for yesterday, but once reporting is complete the death count for that day might increase to 40.

    The death counts for the last 10 days in Sweden should therefore always be interpreted as an incomplete count of the deaths that occurred in this period.

    How confirmed deaths are presented for Sweden
    COVID-19 deaths are reported by the Swedish government by the date on which the death occurred.

    Since there is a lag between the time a person dies and the time the death is reported, the death counts for the most recent period are always incomplete. They are often most incomplete for the latest 2 to 5 days, but can be incomplete for 10 days or more. This undercount in recent days means that they often appear to be falling; but when this is later completed, data shows that more deaths were occurring during that period.

    This means that for the last 10 days of data, death counts in Sweden must only be interpreted as incomplete measures of mortality.

    As an example, this chart shows what confirmed deaths looked like for the period from October 20 to October 29, when the data was first published on October 30 (red series), and once many more death certificates had been added on November 12 (blue series).

    One day after October 29, it looked as if deaths had peaked on October 27 and then started to fall, but in reality that’s not what happened over this period. What actually happened is shown by the blue series: deaths increased steadily.

    This also means that each day, the Swedish government will add new deaths for multiple days in the past—mostly on recent days, but on average up to 10 days in the past, and sometimes even more, if deaths have been reported with a long delay.

    Our source for COVID-19 deaths, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, updates its figures for Sweden directly from the Swedish government’s data. This means that these daily changes affecting the historical data will be visible on our charts.

    Sweden is the only country for which the European CDC currently applies this method for the reporting of deaths. It is also important to note that this does not apply to confirmed cases, but only to confirmed deaths.

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    For other countries, the European CDC does not build its dataset based on the date of death, but rather based on the date of report. More precisely, every morning the European CDC collects each country’s cumulative total number of deaths since the start of the pandemic, and subtracts the previous day’s total from it.

    This results in a daily figure that corresponds to the number of deaths reported in the last 24 hours—regardless of when those deaths actually happened. This means that if the death toll for a country was 20 for a given day, it will remain 20 indefinitely.1

    There is nothing wrong with how Sweden or other countries are reporting deaths. But it is important to know these differences when studying the data from Sweden, and even more when comparing it with other countries.

    (As noted in the article OutWorldInData is switching over to use John Hopkins as their data source as of Dec 1st. This hopefully will reduce the lag in death reporting lag from Sweden.)
     
    #1738     Dec 3, 2020
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I didn't feel the need to create a Switzerland thread just for this post.

    The claim wasn't that Switzerland had no restrictions, just that they didn't lockdown. And your article doesn't show that they did, so saying "so much for the claims that Switzerland is not having restrictions or locking down" is misleading at best. They are not locking down.
     
    #1739     Dec 3, 2020
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    At what point do "restrictions" become a "lockdown". In reality not a single country except for China in Wuhan ever had a lockdown.... they only had varying degrees of restrictions.

    Let's take a look at the Switzerland restrictions.

    Maximum of two different households
    The centrepiece of the mini-quarantine is a restriction on the number of households that meet, with only two - and a maximum of ten people - allowed at one time.

    Maximum of four people at tables in restaurants
    The measures also include restrictions in the private sphere.
    Under the rules, only four people would be allowed to sit at a table in a restaurant.
    The four would also be allowed to come from a maximum of two households.

    Educational institutions
    All face-to-face events are to be banned at educational institutions, other than teaching activities, exams or obtaining a student ID, reports the NZZ.

    No singing
    According to the NZZ, the measures also include a ban on singing, unless it takes place in a family context.
     
    #1740     Dec 3, 2020