First it was the military in general and those living abroad, now it’s the military in select states..... and they’re targeted? What? Do you mean they were influenced by political ads? Oh, and thanks for moving the goalposts. News Flash, everyone living in these United States have been targeted, 24/7 nonstop by a MSM who hates Trump and has been at war with him since before he took office. You’ve asserted several times on these boards how the “Military” hates Trump. You’re wrong, Trump carried the Military vote overall. What was interesting from the “Military Times” article, confidence in Biden as Commander in Chief was considerably less than Trump. But I will agree it’s time to focus on the next important task at hand, have some yard work to do before the family shows up for Thanksgiving.
If you want to have a conversation / debate with me about how the military, veterans living abroad reached out to each other for the 2020 elections to ensure that their voices were heard in comparison to 2016... You can send me a private message after you've enable your private message (currently you have it disable). I have a message post already prepared for you about the military absentee vote. Thus, I have no intentions of having that conversation or debate here in the thread about Sweden Covid-19 performance. wrbtrader
That’s the second time you’ve tried to move to a private message. I have every thing disabled for a reason, anything, everything I want to say, I’ll say it publicly on these boards. I care not to discuss the mutual hatred your friends and associates have for Trump. It doesn’t represent the Military and Veterans as a whole. Let’s just say we agree to disagree and leave it at that. Good day, wishing you and yours a Happy & Safe Thanksgiving.
To be fair, You wanted to push your agenda in this thread instead of talking about it in the threads about elections or military. Your agenda is further by your remarks... I care not to discuss the mutual hatred your friends and associates have for Trump. It doesn’t represent the Military and Veterans as a whole. Once again, if you want to continue this discussion / debate ..there are already existing threads for such or you can enable your private message. I have no intentions of discussing the specific details involving military / veterans living abroad in this thread...this thread is about Sweden Covid-19. Simply, you do not control the narrative here involving me. Enjoy your Thanksgiving. You're now dismissed. wrbtrader
Lol, narrative - you’re the one who said in a Covid-19 thread. That’s your opinion not a fact. Gotta run, I’ll let you have the final word.
Thanks for allowing me the final word. If you want to have specific discussions about a general word or sentence I mention in this thread about active duty military and veterans living abroad... This is not the thread for such. Not sure how clearer I need to be about that. In contrast, if I mention the general word or general sentence about the military, Biden, Trump without any specific details... Its still my choice (not yours) to not discuss those specific details in this thread about Sweden Covid-19 regardless to your curiosity about those specific details. Then again, if you weren't interested...you would not have replied in this thread to me about such. I gave you an opportunity to discuss those specific details elsewhere with you and you've declined along with projecting some stuff about hatred whereas in other threads you posted taunting commentary to me specifically and had the opportunity to engage my opinions in those other threads. Simply, I know your agenda. End of Story wrbtrader
The below article had an interesting quote by the top epidemiologist Anders Tegnell Seems like now that they know they didn't achieve herd immunity (they actually admitted to such last month and did it again the month before that)... They want us to believe that herd immunity was not one of their objectives after the same guy was quoted in saying or refer to it as one of their objectives. Maybe he should talk to the health officials in the United States or Canada to see how well they're doing with herd immunity. The ironic sad part is that a lot of Covididiots actually believe that herd immunity was one of the objectives by Sweden no lockdown policy including then promoting it's an experiment that herd immunity should be tried in their country to duplicate what Sweden was doing. Now to prevent further embarrassment...Sweden has been slowly increasing restrictions / measures the past 1 - 2 months to slow the infections, hospitalizations and deaths. Had they just followed the science (actually they did but a different scientist) and used a face mask wear policy with their no lockdown lite policy...they would have saved many lives...similar to South Korea and Taiwan. ------- Top epidemiologist says Sweden has no signs of herd immunity curbing coronavirus By John Bowden - 11/24/20 09:10 PM EST Sweden's top infectious disease expert said Tuesday that the country has not seen evidence of herd immunity slowing the spread of the coronavirus in the country. “The issue of herd immunity is difficult,” Anders Tegnell, Sweden's state epidemiologist, said at a news briefing, according to Bloomberg News. “We see no signs of immunity in the population that are slowing down the infection right now," Tegnell said. Sweden has seen a resurgence of the virus in recent weeks, with the rate of new infections more than doubling from earlier this year. The country has recorded roughly a quarter of a million confirmed COVID-19 cases, and about 6,500 deaths from the disease, according to figures compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Some U.S. officials including Dr. Scott Atlas, a member of President Trump's coronavirus task force, have promoted a strategy of herd immunity despite repeated warnings from health experts that such a plan would be insufficient for controlling the spread of the virus or limiting deaths in the U.S. Advocates of the idea have pointed to Sweden as an example, citing the country's unwillingness to implement lockdown measures inhibiting public life to stop the virus's spread. Tegnell has fought back against those views, however, and in an interview last month pushed back against the idea that Sweden had pursued a strategy of herd immunity. Governors take heat for violating their own coronavirus restrictions Overnight Health Care: White House coronavirus task force says '... "In common with other countries we’re trying to slow down the spread as much as possible... To imply that we let the disease run free without any measures to try to stop it is not true,” Tegnell told New Statesman. “I want to make it clear, no, we did not lock down like many other countries, but we definitely had a virtual lockdown,” Tegnell said. “Swedes changed their behavior enormously. We stopped travelling even more than our neighboring countries. The airports had no flights anywhere, the trains were running at a few per cent of normal service, so there were enormous changes in society.” Bloomberg noted that Swedes have faced more exposure to the coronavirus than residents in other Nordic areas and data published this week showed that every third person tested in Stockholm has tested positive for antibodies. https://thehill.com/policy/internat...no-signs-of-herd-immunity-curbing-coronavirus ------- wrbtrader
More precisely, the shutdown didn't fail in either Canada or United States. It was extremely successful in dramatically (exponentially in some places) in lowering the infections, hospitalization, deaths and hospitals costs. The shutdown (lockdown) did exactly what it intended to do including another less discussed objective...gave the health officials valuable time to organize one hell of a vaccine research effort and time to improve the medical care to lower the % of deaths. Mission accomplish via the shutdown (lockdown). The problem was the next phase of the Pandemic...the re-opening that most of these Covididiots refuse to acknowledge. In fact, they rarely talk about it or act like it never occurred. The Re-Opening phase failed because many cities, states or provinces weren't prepared and one did it differently in comparison to another city, state or province that are border neighbors. For example, I know a large family in South Dakota, Illinois, Arizona and Québec, Canada. Not one family member was infected, hospitalized nor died from Covid-19 during the shutdown (lockdown). In contrast, after the re-opening, each of the above families had 1 Covid-19 death, at least 3 hospitalized from Covid-19 and 4 Covid-19 infections. To the Covididiot you're talking to...he can not wrap his mind around the fact that United States and Canada even had phases of the re-opening in which many places in the United States ignored as in creating their own re-opening guidelines...ignoring the CDC guidelines. The result made it easier for community spread from one city to another city...even across borders. Another example, by brother a doctor in South Dakota, had his cable services changed twice during the Pandemic. One company had all their employees that wear a face mask...another company did not and left it up to the employee discretion in which most did not wear a face mask. Guess which company created a Covid-19 breakout among their employees ? We know the answer but the Covid-19 can not answer the above. Humans at their worst. wrbtrader
What I would say is the shutdown worked primarily in NE US like in Canada. Then we got that awful first wave in the Southern US that was inexcusable because the knowledge about how to control it was already public domain, they just chose to ignore it. Florida seems to have just skipped the flatten the curve phase process had bad numbers throughout ( so no phase 1, phase 2 just one big long phase; it would be even more obvious if they reported properly ). Texas I'm surprised how bad it is now. California went the restriction route like Ontario and has a similar experience to Ontario now. The irony of course is Jem lives in San Diego and detests those restrictions that prevented California from following Florida's experience now. Of course I'm not privy to the exact experiences in the US and what they are doing just going off the numbers for a rough feel on what is happening.