Herd immunity was one argument... and we shall see going forward if... it exists. Obviously Fauci thinks it can be accomplished with a vaccine. 2. I am not derided countries you fucking idiot.. I like Canada and my friends from Canada. I am pointing out that idiots like you and you cohort of lefty morons... were touting their first round dlockdown covid responses which have now obviously failed. I told you before i ceased posting in july... that the lockdowns were going to fail because its stupid to lock down the low risk when you have the hospital space. In part because lockdown don't make the virus go away... if you ever plan to open up again. you are the consumate douchebag liar.
You are pushing nonsense again. Trying to create a "reality" that aligns with your world view that simply allowing COVID to run wild will create "natural herd immunity" so therefore standard public health precautions and lockdowns are not needed. It is time to wake up and face the reality --- Sweden is a disaster, even their own government has now admitted it.
Bla bla bla, lost in his fantasy world where by Martingaling his BS he gets a cookie. He is completely foaming, seems to be saying I said something but then it merges into GWB? If you give a Gnus a cookie he'll ask you for a like.
Lockdowns: Successful Re-Opening: Failure Anyone can read Covid-19 graph...infections, hospitalizations, deaths all declined during the lockdown. In contrast, infections, hospitalizations, deaths all increased during the re-opening and soon after because there still was no vaccine. The government rolled the dice (Operation Warp Speed) that they would find a vaccine by the time of the re-opening. In reality, not a realistic goal when many health officials was pointing to the end of the year. The big error was the government made a health crisis a political event instead of uniting the country to attack Covid-19 as if it was an invader from outside. We should have went to war against Covid-19. wrbtrader
He's not going to attack military veterans in congress (Republicans / Democrats), he's not going to visit the gravesites of our war dead and make degrading commentary about the ultimate sacrifice. He's not going to underestimate the voting power of the military absentee vote and veterans living abroad (like me) especially when Biden or Harris runs for President in 2024. The above is what Biden / Harris will do with the military. wrbtrader
Swedish PM Makes Covid Plea in Historic National Address https://www.bloombergquint.com/poli...-covid-plea-to-nation-after-careless-response Sweden’s Prime Minister Stefan Lofven used a rare Sunday night address to warn of the growing threat the coronavirus poses, amid fears the strategy used so far may not be enough to fight an increasingly deadly pandemic. Lofven, the third prime minister in Sweden’s history to deliver such a national address, said “too many people have been careless about following the recommendations” that health authorities say are key if the virus is to be reined in. Sweden famously avoided a lockdown, relying instead on voluntary measures. But with a death rate considerably higher than elsewhere in the Nordic region, and intensive care beds rapidly filling up, authorities in the country are now recalibrating their approach. Lofven’s decision to address the nation triggered a wave of analysis in Sweden’s biggest newspapers on Monday, as editorial pages weighed in on the seriousness of the moment. (More at above url)
some of posts... are a bit messy... because I am on a wireless keyboard and I am trading while posting.
Numbers in Sweden continue to look very good----very good indeed. They did the right thing early on by allowing the spread and are likely at, or close to, herd immunity.
I pulled the above quote from below from Sweden's latest Covid-19 news that I consider to be very strange by one of their health officials. Sweden barely had any restrictions and we know for fact that they only had a lockdown lite (not a full lockdown) and yet people had become tired of following the initial recommendations... Hilarious. Just as strange, check out the link below of people talking about the new measures. Sweden's hospitalization is now worst than anywhere else in Europe. ------- Covid-19 case surge forces Sweden to rethink strategy praised by U.S. conservatives New measures command "both fear and respect," said Pady Cortinez, adding that she had stopped going out to bars and "did not hug." Video of the Above @ Sweden reverses course and imposes restrictions Nov. 21, 202002:06 Nov. 23, 2020, 6:42 AM EST By Karolina Modig and Bill O'Reilly STOCKHOLM — Sweden once found cheerleaders among conservative commentators and activists in the United States for its light-touch approach to the coronavirus pandemic. But as the numbers of deaths and infections surge, Sweden's government has been forced to introduce much tougher regulations to prevent the virus from spreading. Beginning Tuesday, the number of people who can gather in public will be reduced to eight from 50. Only eight diners per table will be allowed in restaurants. Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven issued a stern warning on Sunday night as he explained the new rules. "Tonight, in late November 2020, it is clear that it will be some time before we can return to normal," he told the nation in a televised address. "Many have neglected the advice during the autumn." "All the things you would like to do, but that are not necessary: cancel, postpone," he added. Customers at a fast-food restaurant in Stockholm on Nov. 12.Fredrik Sandberg / TT News Agency via Reuters Dr. Karin Tegmark Wisell, chief physician at the Public Health Agency of Sweden's microbiology department, welcomed the new rules, which the government issued unilaterally. "Large gatherings risk infection," she said Thursday, adding that limiting them was "a positive thing." She said people had become tired of following the initial recommendations, "so we needed to take tougher measures." The central government issued a recommendation to regional governments this month to make people avoid public gatherings like concerts, theater performances and lectures. It also banned the serving of alcohol after 10 p.m. Special local recommendations, including avoiding public transportation and shops, are also in place across much of the country. Unlike many other European countries, including its Scandinavian neighbors, where strict rules and lockdowns were introduced, Sweden had previously relied on recommendations that people wash their hands, socially distance and work from home. But the number of cases started to rise significantly late last month, a trend that has continued into November. Almost 6,406 people have died from the virus, and almost 208,295 cases have been recorded, according to John Hopkins University. As a result, the government has been forced to act. "It is very frustrating and worrying to hear about the increasing number of sick and dead people," said Mats Jerresten, 75, adding that the new rules will make little difference to him, as he has been limiting his time in public since March. However, he said, he will have to wait even longer to see his 12 grandchildren. For Pady Cortinez, a communications project manager, the new measures command "both fear and respect." "You just try to adapt to the situation," said Cortinez, 48, adding that she had stopped going out to bars and "did not hug." As numbers rise, medical facilities, like Karolinska University Hospital in Sweden's capital, Stockholm, are also having to prepare. The CEO, Dr. Björn Zoëga, said Thursday that elective surgery and other procedures had been canceled but that other acute operations for cancer or cardiac patients would continue. His colleague Dr. Björn Persson, the head of intensive care and thoracic surgery, added that the hospital had raised its capacity in case there was a spike in patients but that it was not full. Sweden "was not prepared like other societies" for the rapid spread of the disease this year, Zoëga said. "This came fast," he said, adding that most of the government's decisions "have been quite good." His opinion was not shared by Dr. Cecilia Söderberg-Nauclér, a physician and professor at the Karolinska Institute, who said last week that health authorities "gave up" very early on "They saw that the virus was entering Sweden. We didn't have test capacity, so we couldn't do testing and contact tracing, and they didn't get that up to speed. So they kind of resigned," she said. "There were many things that we said they should do that they didn't, and it just took off," she said, adding that she disagreed with the government's claim that it was listening to the scientists. A sign encourages social distancing at the Central Station in Stockholm. Amir Nabizadeh / TT News Agency via Reuters Long-term Covid-19 patients remained a concern because they were not being monitored properly, which meant it was difficult to learn the best way to treat and rehabilitate them, she said. Such patients "were basically put at risk at an unacceptable level during the spring" and were not being treated properly now, she said. Calling the situation "concerning," she said, "We don't know how they are going to recover, because we don't know enough about this disease at the present time." However, all were hopeful that a vaccine would be available soon. But Persson warned that there needed to be a balance "between rushing the vaccine and safety." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...es-sweden-rethink-strategy-praised-u-n1248545 ------- wrbtrader