In the Coronavirus Fight in Scandinavia, Sweden Stands Apart

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden Health Chief Admits ‘It’s Not Over’ As Coronavirus Cases Leap
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidn...-over-as-coronavirus-cases-leap/#7abbddd7573f

    Sweden’s state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell has announced a record daily high of coronavirus cases for the second consecutive day. 812 positive COVID-19 tests were reported during the prior 24 hours, taking the overall total to 17,567. Tegnell had previously insisted on several occasions that the spread of the virus was slowing.

    The country has come under fire from scientists in Sweden and around the world for its relatively relaxed approach to tackling the virus compared to other European countries.

    More than 2,000 deaths in Sweden
    Following an additional 131 deaths reported in the last 24 hours, Sweden’s COVID-19 death toll now stands at 2,152. The numbers were given at the latest daily coronavirus press briefing from the Swedish Public Health Agency.

    The Swedish Public Health Agency said it was “clear” that the number of deaths in Sweden this year will be significantly higher than during a regular flu season. During weeks 13 and 14 of 2020, there were approximately 1,000 additional deaths above the expected amount.

    “There have been more deaths than expected. It is definitely not over. We see that especially in the small rise in Stockholm again,” said Tegnell. The jump in positive cases comes just 48 hours after the controversial withdrawal of a report that suggested 600,000 Stockholm residents will have been infected by May 1.

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    #111     Apr 26, 2020
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Sweden Health Agency Withdraws Controversial Coronavirus Report
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidn...ontroversial-coronavirus-report/#35beb9694349

    The Swedish Public Health Agency made international headlines yesterday by estimating that one-third of Stockholm residents would be infected with the coronavirus by May 1. Less than 24 hours later, the Agency has taken a dramatic u-turn and withdrawn the report.

    The decision was announced via Twitter: "We have discovered an error in the report and so the authors are currently going through the material again. We will republish the report as soon as it is ready."

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    Another Swedish report on the coronavirus spread in the capital has also been withdrawn by its authors. The preliminary findings by researchers at Karolinska University Hospital and the Karolinska Institute estimated that at least 11 out of 100 blood donors in Stockholm had already developed antibodies to the coronavirus.

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    #112     Apr 26, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The wheels are falling off the wagon in Sweden...

    Sweden: 22 Scientists Say Coronavirus Strategy Has Failed As Deaths Top 1,000
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidn...y-has-failed-as-deaths-top-1000/#2980f65c7b6c

    Sweden's relatively relaxed approach to controlling the spread of the coronavirus has come under fire in international media and from many locals in the capital Stockholm, where more than half the country's deaths have been recorded. Now, 22 researchers have publicly criticized the strategy and called on politicians to make changes.

    Harsh criticism from research scientists
    In an opinion piece published today in Dagens Nyheter, the group of researchers from a range of top Swedish universities and research institutes make harsh criticism of the Swedish Public Health Agency and their present coronavirus strategy. They say that elected politicians must now intervene with "swift and radical measures."

    The researchers say the agency has claimed on four different occasions that the spread of infection has levelled out, despite evidence to the contrary. They point out the slowdown in infections and deaths in Finland, which has implemented much more restrictive measures.

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    #113     Apr 26, 2020
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The Swedish government is fessing up that the entire response is pretty much a disaster... and stronger measures are necessary. The response in Sweden widely spread the disease increasing the deaths while bankrupting the economy & businesses as well. Sweden was able to create the worst case scenario in both public health and the economy due to their failed policy.

    'The biggest myth about Sweden is that life is going on as normal'
    Life in Sweden is absolutely not going on as normal, the country's Deputy Prime Minister Isabella Lövin told The Local as she warned the government was prepared to take stronger measures to prevent the spread of the coronavirus outbreak.
    https://www.thelocal.se/20200424/in...out-sweden-is-that-life-is-going-on-as-normal
     
    #114     Apr 26, 2020
  5. There are sayings such as "if you took all the economists in the world and placed them end to end they would still not reach a decision." Or similarly, "if you ask four lawyers for advice you will get eight different opinions."

    Surprise, surprise that is so for epidemiologists as well.

    Yet we get repetitive posts here saying basically that we should just listen to the epidemiologists and not weigh in on any matters because they are the ones who have it all figured out.
     
    #115     Apr 26, 2020
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    When epidemiologists, medical experts, public health officials, statisticians, and historical studies all agree on the best policy for addressing a deadly pandemic --- then it is best to follow their guidance.

    Sweden with its "half open" strategy and Brazil with its "ignore it" strategy are quickly becoming case studies on failed responses to COVID-19.
     
    #116     Apr 26, 2020
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  7. wildchild

    wildchild

    I have never seen anyone hope for more death and destruction than you. It is really sick.

    Its a good thing facts are not on your side.
     
    #117     Apr 26, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    There is no hope for death and destruction from me. All I have hoped for is the best public health policy that allow us to open for business in face of a deadly pandemic as soon as possible. Nothing would reek move havoc on the economy than a failed pandemic response which allows COVID-19 to overwhelm society so nothing can be re-opened for many months rather than in a mere two months.

    The facts and information fully back my assertions. Fortunately most states in the U.S. are following the best guidance that align with a 60 day lockdown and a staged approach to re-opening along with wide-scale testing with contact tracing.

    It is unfortunate for the residents of Sweden and Brazil that their governments have used them for experimenting with failed COVID-19 response policies that do not align with international recommendations. Hopefully their governments correct their policies as soon as possible to minimize the public health & economic damage that is being inflicted with their current ruinous policies.
     
    #118     Apr 26, 2020
  9. jem

    jem

    yet almost all your posts are science free...
    and frequently fact wrong.

    Your posts almost always feature the logical fallacy -- an appeal to authority.

    Saying the experts say... is the weakest argument there is.

    to be useful you must show the science or the data and then appeal to an expert when their expertise can help us clarify. without data or science no one should care what fauci says.

    as we told you from the beginning his models sucked because they had bad data.

     
    #119     Apr 26, 2020
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I have provided plenty of links to scientific and factual information in my posts.

    Aligning with expert advice and historical proof regarding pandemics is the best path forward.

    The variation of responses by country in the current COVID-19 pandemic does serve one purpose however - it will act as very useful cases studies of very successful (Germany / South Korea) responses versus completely failed (e.g. Brazil) responses to a world-wide pandemic. This will serve future generations very well since they will have first-hard results in a globally connected world (with air-travel, etc.) regarding the effectiveness of responses.
     
    #120     Apr 26, 2020