Numbers continue looking very very good in Sweden. I suspect that the virus is very rarely spread by aerosol and is largely spread by folks touching their face and masks.
Amusing --- the other EU countries have once again declared Sweden to be a high risk COVID zone and are implementing quarantines and/or travel bans to/from Sweden this week. Your assertions are nonsense.
Coronavirus: Sweden defied zealots and never met its WaterlooADAM CREIGHTONFollow @Adam_Creighton Travellers wait to board a boat at Stranvagen in Stockholm in July. Picture: AFP 2 HOURS AGO OCTOBER 5, 2020 NO COMMENTS Sweden’s impressive legacy — ABBA, dynamite, Ikea, for instance — has expanded significantly in 2020, having provided the world with an example of a sane response to what’s turned out a relatively mild pandemic. The Scandinavian nation deserves enduring credit from reasonable people everywhere for resisting the destructive authoritarian mindset that enveloped democratic nations this year. Sweden was viciously attacked by supposed experts and mainstream media all year that if it didn’t crush commerce by fiat and suspend civil liberties indefinitely, as has occurred in Europe, many US states, and of course Victoria, more than 90,000 Swedes would die. The army of lockdown zealots will never be able to say lockdowns are essential to avert disaster, if that wasn’t already clear enough from Japan, Taiwan and South Korea. Historians will struggle to see a public policy disaster in Sweden. The number of deaths there from all causes so far this year, just less than 68,000, is fewer than over the same period in 2015, adjusted for population size. Far from an apocalypse, the total death rate from January 1 to September 20 is barely distinguishable from recent years, notwithstanding a jump from 2019, during which it was unusually low. While its European neighbours, which bludgeoned their economies for months, now battle “second waves” (albeit with far lower death rates), Sweden has barely had any COVID-19 deaths since mid-July alongside a much milder uptick in so-called cases, which in any case often mean little. The feared “exponential growth” never occurred (it never occurred anywhere). Swedish hospitals were never “overwhelmed”. But Sweden’s GDP, which plunged 8.3 per cent in the second quarter, tanked anyway so should it have locked down too and “saved lives”? It’s a fatuous argument, faulty on its own terms, even assuming lockdowns do “save lives” overall. For a start, its economy suffered in part because its larger neighbours, which themselves endured far bigger drops in GDP, locked down. Second, media fear-mongering left people unreasonably terrified, which, naturally, saw Swedes curtail economic activity. In any case, looking at GDP over three months is hardly definitive. Sweden’s economy is expected to grow 4 per cent next year, twice as fast as ours, according to the Reserve Bank. Having inflicted less economic chaos, Sweden’s gross government debt won’t rise beyond 40 per cent, according to its September budget papers, while Canberra’s debt ceiling will be lifted to the equivalent of 55 per cent of GDP along with far bigger budget deficits. The bigger point is this: the short-term trajectory of GDP matters little. As I’ve argued for years in this column, it’s a flawed, dated measure of prosperity. In Sweden, no one will be cowering in masks for years; Swedish police are not dragging people screaming from cars or invading homes to stop Facebook sharing. They aren’t shutting internal borders, stopping weddings, funerals or undermining children’s education. The Swedish parliament, unlike Victoria’s, isn’t using the pandemic as an excuse to increase police power. And the Swedish people never had to endure rambling, ridiculous daily press conferences for months about “cases” that belong in a scene from Nineteen Eighty-Four. And the Swedish government hasn’t set a precedent, which will hang over business investment considerations here for a generation, that whenever a virus emerges, businesses and households will be shut down for months. None of these factors is reflected in GDP. There was never a health crisis in Sweden. And there hasn’t been one in Australia, either. In the first six months of the year, there were 134 fewer deaths from respiratory diseases in Australia, which includes pneumonia and influenza, and 617 additional deaths from cancer compared with the average over 2015-19, according to the ABS’s provisional mortality statistics, released last week. Doctor-certified deaths are within the normal range. Sweden hasn’t hitched its economic future — and the mobility of its people — to the prospect of a vaccine, either. As our budget will make clear, forecasts of a return to normality will be contingent on an effective vaccine emerging, and one people will want to take. Given the survival rate for people under 70 is about 99.9 per cent — if they get the virus — it’s unclear how many will want to. Drug companies, under immense pressure to find a vaccine in months rather than the usual eight to 10 years, are understandably trying to wriggle out of liability if something goes wrong. There are 243 candidate vaccines, of which nine are in stage-three trials, where the wider population testing takes place. There’s no guarantee of success. There’s been no vaccine developed for HIV, for instance. “It is likely individuals will need two doses of a vaccine and this may need to be repeated every year,” says JP Morgan analyst David Mackie, who took stock of vaccination developments last month. “With a global population of 7.8 billion, this would require 4.7 billion individuals to be vaccinated with two doses each, separated by three to four weeks, and possibly repeated every year.” Australia’s coronavirus elimination strategy leaves many questions unanswered. How long will we be prevented from leaving, if there’s no effective vaccine? Given the virus is contagious, is it realistic to keep it out forever (assuming it’s not prevalent here)? If not, why has Victoria imposed a 20-week lockdown on its biggest city? Nations that don’t lock down their populations for months have been cast as immoral, but the truth is more complex. Leadership requires balancing competing objectives, governing for the long term, and being honest with people when new information emerges. It will require a few more years of data to work out the optimal strategies to fight future pandemics. But what’s clear already — certainly to citizens of Victoria, New Zealand, Israel, the UK and Europe — is that one lockdown, as promised by proponents, does not eradicate the coronavirus. And let’s drop the idea Swedes care less for their elderly than we do. Sweden spends the equivalent of 3.2 per cent of GDP on its aged-care facilities, compared to about 1 per cent here.
You can say all you want... but without science and data its just another leftist shibboleth. Go ahead produce the evidence. Don't say you already gave it to us... because we know you are full of shit when you say that... provide the links... If you provide links to evidence I will read your evidence and tell you why its correct, conjecture or demonstrably false.
Actually when you look at the data... those other countries like demark are the ones with the Covid breakout. Sweden is quite close to its all lows since the beginning of the outbreak. Why do you lie about Sweden so often.... GWB. You are a bit sick in the head. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
You are calling evidence from leading medical experts and public health agencies "leftist shibboleth" -- it really serves to purpose to have a discussion with you when you deny obvious reality and facts.
produce the data.... clown. You seem to ignore that just last week the CDC had to remove their "guidance" about the aerosol transmission of Covid because they had no statistically significant data showing aerosol spread of infection. I am the one citing science on this subject. The lack of it. You have Fauci the clown and bullshit on your side.
So every other coronavirus on the face of the earth can be spread via aerosol transmission but COVID-19 is not. The reality to every reasonable person is the CDC posted the correct guidance that COVID-19 is spread via aerosol transmission --- and political interference from the Trump administration forced them to remove it the next day. The American people are tired of being lied to about public health by political operatives trying to drive their agenda rather than the scientific and medical reality.
Hey Covid Fuck stick... confirmed liar GWB... I downloaded the Data per you link from the Official Swedish website. last week and now today. Last week you lied and said the official website had the October 1st was 752. I challenged you and you still lied. you lied and lied. I downloaded the data using your link, and today it was updated for October 1. 436 for October 1st. Not 752 as you and your lying more misrepresenting thousands of articles from your google searched faked. If you apologize for lying and explain why you lie, I will retract my insults to your character.
CDC says COVID-19 spreads through the air. Updates guidance. It's very clear to reasonable people that the Trump administration forced the CDC to take down the earlier completely correct guidance. Now the administration has backed down seeing that Trump is in the hospital and the entire medical world has mocked the administration for forcing the CDC to put out fake information. CDC revises coronavirus guidance to acknowledge that it spreads through airborne transmission https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/05/cdc...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark The CDC cited published reports that demonstrated “limited, uncommon circumstances” in which people with the virus infected others who were more than six feet away. “In these instances, transmission occurred in poorly ventilated and enclosed spaces that often involved activities that caused heavier breathing, like singing or exercise,” the CDC said. The agency added that it is “much more common” for the virus to spread through larger respiratory droplets that are produced when somebody coughs, sneezes, sings, talks, or breathes. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention revised its coronavirus guidance Monday, acknowledging that it can sometimes spread through airborne particles that can “linger in the air for minutes to hours” and among people who are more than six feet apart. The CDC cited published reports that demonstrated “limited, uncommon circumstances where people with COVID-19 infected others who were more than 6 feet away or shortly after the COVID-19-positive person left an area.” “In these instances, transmission occurred in poorly ventilated and enclosed spaces that often involved activities that caused heavier breathing, like singing or exercise,” the CDC said in a statement. “Such environments and activities may contribute to the buildup of virus-carrying particles.” The agency added that it is “much more common” for the virus to spread through larger respiratory droplets that are produced when somebody coughs, sneezes, sings, talks, or breathes. People are infected through such droplets mostly when they are in close contact with an infected person, the CDC said. “CDC’s recommendations remain the same based on existing science and after a thorough technical review of the guidance,” the agency said. “People can protect themselves from the virus that causes COVID-19 by staying at least 6 feet away from others, wearing a mask that covers their nose and mouth, washing their hands frequently, cleaning touched surfaces often and staying home when sick.” The updated guidance comes after the agency mistakenly posted a revision last month that said the virus could spread through aerosols, small droplets that can linger in the air. The guidance was quickly removed from the CDC’s website because it was just “a draft version of proposed changes,” the agency said. To what degree the coronavirus can spread through airborne particles has been a contentious debate among scientists for months. Some epidemiologists have charged that the World Health Organization as well as federal regulatory agencies in many countries have been slow to accept that the virus can spread by air. It’s a debate that could have implications for the importance of air filtration in reopening businesses and schools. Dr. Bill Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University, said the new guidance is largely in line with what he says the science indicates about the coronavirus spreading through the air. He said in a phone interview after reviewing the new guidance that airborne transmission is something of a “side street” for spread. “Some cars do get through on the side street,” he said. “But the highways of transmission are close in, usually within enclosed spaces and for periods of time longer than 15 minutes with people standing within three to six feet of each other.” Schaffner added that the new guidance doesn’t necessarily change how he thinks about reducing the risk of infection for most people. Wearing a mask, socially distancing and avoiding large indoor gatherings remain the most important steps people can take, he said. But places of business, where many people come in and out everyday, might want to reexamine their ventilation systems, he said. “Have your air handling system reviewed and see how efficient it is and whether you’re getting sufficient air exchanges per hour, and where the stuffy corners of the building are,” he said. “See if you can do something to enhance the air handling.”