"In 2015, Mr. Martinez said, his monthly payments will be $12,000 a month."

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  1. A Town Drowns in Debt as Home Values Plunge

    Published: November 10, 2008


    MOUNTAIN HOUSE, Calif. —
    This town, 59 feet above sea level, is the most underwater community in America.


    Because of plunging home values, almost 90 percent of homeowners here owe more on their mortgages than their houses are worth, according to figures released Monday. That is the highest percentage in the country. The average homeowner in Mountain House is “underwater,” as it is known, by $122,000.

    [​IMG]One homeowner bought a foreclosed property on Prosperity Street in Mountain House, Calif.

    A visit to the area over the last couple of days shows how the nationwide housing crisis is contributing to a broad slowdown of the American economy, as families who feel burdened by high mortgages are pulling back on their spending.

    Jerry Martinez, a general contractor, and his wife, Marcie, an accounts clerk, are among the struggling owners in Mountain House. Burdened with credit card debt and a house losing value by the day, they are learning the necessity of self-denial for themselves and their three children.

    No more family bowling night. No more dinners at Chili’s or Applebee’s. No more going to the movies.

    “We make decent money, but it takes a tremendous amount to pay the mortgage,” Mr. Martinez, 33, said.

    First American CoreLogic, a real estate data company, has calculated that 7.6 million properties in the country were underwater as of Sept. 30, while another 2.1 million were in striking distance. That is nearly a quarter of all homes with mortgages. The 20 hardest-hit ZIP codes are all in four states: California, Florida, Nevada and Arizona.

    “Most people pay very little attention to what their equity stake is if they can make the mortgage,” said First American’s chief economist, Mark Fleming. “They think it’s a bummer if the value has gone down, but they are rooted in their house.”

    And yet the magnitude of the current declines has little precedent. “When my house is valued at 50 percent less than it was, does this begin to challenge the way I’m going to behave?” he said.

    Mountain House, a planned community set among the fields and pastures of the Central Valley about 60 miles east of San Francisco, provides a discomfiting answer.

    The cutbacks by the Martinezes and their neighbors are reflected in a modest strip of about a dozen stores in nearby Tracy. Three are empty while a fourth has only a temporary tenant. Some of those that remain say they are just hanging on.

    “Before summer, things were O.K. Not now,” said My Phan of Hailey Nails and Spa. “Customers say they cannot afford to do their nails.” She estimated her business had fallen by half.

    At Cribs, Kids and Teens, Jason Heinemann says his business is also down 50 percent. He opened the store in early 2006; last month was his worst ever. “Grandparents are big buyers of kids’ furniture, but when their 401(k)’s are dropping $10,000 and $20,000 a week, they don’t come in,” he said.

    Mr. Heinemann laid off his one employee, a contribution to an unemployment rate in San Joaquin County that has surpassed 10 percent. He dropped his advertising in the local newspaper and luxury magazines.

    As Mr. Heinemann’s sales sink, he is tightening his own belt. “I used to be a big spender,” he said. “We’re setting a budget for Christmas.”

    In the window of another tenant, Wells Fargo Home Mortgage, a placard shows two happy homeowners holding a sign saying, “Someday we’ll owe a lot less than we thought.”

    Someday, maybe, but not now. First American has been refining its figures on underwater mortgages, formally known as negative equity. The data company evaluated 42 million residential properties with mortgages. (Though Maine, Mississippi, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming were excluded because of insufficient data, none of those states have been central to the mortgage crisis.) A computer model was used to calculate current values, using comparable sales. More than 10 million homes do not have mortgages.

    The figures rank the 20 ZIP codes that are furthest underwater. The 95391 ZIP code, which includes all of Mountain House and some properties outside it, has the unwelcome distinction of being first in the country.

    Out of 1,856 mortgages in the ZIP code, First American calculates that nearly 90 percent are underwater. Only 209 owners owe less on their mortgages than the homes are worth.


    The first homes in Mountain House were sold in 2003, just as the real estate boom began to go into overdrive. Its relative proximity to San Francisco drew many who traded a longer commuting trip for a bigger place.

    The Martinezes bought their house in early 2005 for $630,000. It is now worth about $420,000. They have an interest-only mortgage, a popular loan during the boom that allows owners to forgo principal payments for a time.

    But these loans eventually become unmanageable. In 2015, Mr. Martinez said, his monthly payments will be $12,000 a month. He laughed and shook his head at the absurdity of it.

    They fear the future, so they stay home. They rent movies. They play board games. (But not Monopoly — with its real estate theme, it reminds them too much of real life.)

    “It’s a vicious circle,” Mr. Martinez said. The economy is faltering because he and millions of others are not spending. This killed his career in home remodeling this year, and threatens his current work as a contractor on commercial properties.

    For the moment, the family is just trying to hold on. But Mr. Martinez acknowledges that it has entered his mind to turn his house back over to the bank. “By next June, if things aren’t better, I’m walking,” Mr. Martinez said.

    Many in Mountain House have already taken that option. Banks took over 101 properties in the 95391 ZIP code in the third quarter, according to DataQuick Information Systems.

    Even relatively recent arrivals are feeling a pinch.

    Kenny Rogers, a data security specialist, moved into Mountain House last year, buying a foreclosed property on Prosperity Street for $380,000. But the decline in values has been so fierce that he too is underwater.

    He has cut his DVD buying from 50 a month to perhaps one, and is waiting until the Christmas sales to buy a high-definition television. He does not indulge much anymore in his hobbies of scuba diving and flying. “Best to wait for a better price, or do without,” Mr. Rogers, 52, said.

    People deciding to do without are hurting a second mall close to Mountain House. There is a shuttered Linens ’n Things, part of a chain that went bankrupt. Another empty storefront used to be a Fashion Bug. Soccer World could not make it. Shoe Pavilion is festooned with going-out-of-business signs.

    Chris and Janet Ackerson can survey this carnage from their own store with a certain equanimity. Their business, a member of the Vino 100 chain of wine outlets, is doing well.

    The store opened at the beginning of the year, so long-term trends are not clear. But sales did not plunge in the last few months as they did for so many other retailers. Four more people joined the store’s wine club last weekend.

    “My house is underwater, so I’m not doing too much impulse shopping or any renovation. But I’m not cutting back on this,” said Ray Lopez, a database administrator, as he placed a $24 petite sirah on the counter. “Life’s too short.”
  2. The reporter is incorrect about the altitude point. Indio, CA is below sea level, and is one craphole of a city at that. Full of illegals and their welfare babies. Seeing as Indio is a big rental town due to the population, I can see how Mountain House owners could be most 'under water.'
  3. just21


    Has he not heard of netflix?
  4. bidask


    does anyone know of lehigh acres, fl? what's it like there?
  5. dancalio


    A couple points:

    There is a difference between percent of homes in an area underwater, and the degree of how far homes are underwater.

    I am fairly knowledgeable about the Las Vegas market.

    It mentions that 80 some % of homes in 89178 (nice area of Las Vegas) are underwater. But the amount underwater is only about 10% ($30k or so). This could be corrected in a few years as the market changes. This is hardly an emergency and most people in that zip code would not take notice. This is a new development area so all loans will have been issued in the past few years, hence the percent.

    On the other hand, the most heavily affected area of Las Vegas, the undesirable North East, may not be reflected on the list. This is a very old development area, so many of the home loans were issued well before the housing boom, so you won't see such a high percentage of people upside down. But those who are upside down here are the ones who really have the problems we are hearing about. That is the very worst part of Las Vegas (gangs, drugs, crime) and it is where home prices have been hit the hardest. The owners of such homes are also the ones most sensitive to economic downturn and probably have the worst loan contracts.

    Another note: are we supposed to feel sorry for people who buy 1/2 million $ homes in an inflated California real estate market with interest only loans who then have trouble paying them back?
  6. You need to re read the article it says "Mountain House in the central valley 60 miles east of San Francisco"...very long way from Indio.
  7. Is this guy on crack? 50 DVDs at $20 a piece = $1000 a month?

    This fool deserves to lose everything he has if he thinks he can throw money out of the window like that.
  8. Got that, thanks. I was referring to the altitutde.
  9. He's probably hooked on the pr0n.
  10. Bob111


    and he didn't know about that,when bought the house? thinking that this piece of shit going straight to the moon in next couple years and he will be millionaire in year or so? not so fast mr. martinez-average plumber joe with zero education, you in wrong neighborhood to begin with..

    fuck them all along with their movies and Applebee’s. sorry,but no sympathy for losers...
    l've been in Applebee’s a year ago, maybe two. movie theater? once a month..i save,save save every f*n day,putting money aside for my kids and i'm the one,who screwed by this country and mr martinez every single day just for being rational saver,who lives waaaayy below our needs. btw-99.9% of this country have no idea,how small the actual needs are..
    #10     Nov 11, 2008