I'm talking about with margin, however that might be calculated. For example, $10,000 of a trader's own money, plus however much margin is needed to turn that trader's $10,000 into $18,000+ at the end of the year and so on. Is this possible to do in today's market? I have seen at least two professional traders say that as of a year or so ago, "margin account requirements and other regulations" have made these kind of returns impossible now. What exactly does that mean (even though it seems pretty easy to understand)? Does anyone agree or disagree? Assuming that margin account requirements and other regulations weren't a factor, is it still next to impossible to make these kinds of returns with these two options trading methods (or any other methods)? Which kind of trading method is the most likely to real in these kinds of annual returns, even though they would likely be risky? Thank you.