Implied Volatility vs. Real Volatility

Discussion in 'Options' started by EliteTraderNYC, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. Is this a 1 for 1 long term? Over what timeframe?
  2. antaram


    I read somewhere that over last 20 years implied volatility has been higher than realized vol by an average of 4.5 or so points, in the last 20+ years implied volatility has exceeded realized volatility close to 90% of the time

    nobody knows how this will go in the future
  3. Assuming that that 4.5% excess figure is accurate, should one expect to be able to capture it by credit strategies, in view of periodically being stopped out on large sudden moves, transaction costs, etc.?
  4. kapw7


    I guess in theory they should be the same (or very close) over a very short period of time (say less than 1 sec), the shorter the period the closer they get.

    Over long periods they shouldn't necessarily converge. Implied vol is estimated in the risk neutral world.
  5. kapw7


    In this thread:

    there is an Excel spreadsheet by the OP with such strategy
  6. Don't miss reality here... one huge vol spike puts short variance guys out of business if to exposed.... its that small percentage of the time that you get killed... saying implies are higher then realized "most" of the time means nothing if you lose more then your gains on that rare event..... this "most" of the time bullshit is no reason to stay short variance ...
  7. sle


    Simply being short gamma or short skew is a reasonable strategy overall, except an institutional trader would have been fired a few times over the last 20 years. Which is why selling vol is still a winning trade :)
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  9. sle


    Think of another interesting factor while being long volatility - you are short convexity on your income, unless you are all in the upper bracket. For example, imagine that you are long gamma and lose money 3 years out of 4, but in the 4th year your end up making 100% on your capital. For simplicity sake let's say that your average return is about 20%, but you will end up paying top rate on your one good year and get very little relief in the 3 losing years. If, however, you are making 33% per year being long carry and end up flat in the 4th year - you will be paying lower absolute amount of taxes in your 4 years of trading.
  10. ironic and funny i was sitting down at a restaurant with my father who is a CPA and owns an accounting firm when you wrote this.. basically what your saying is.. the non linearity of returns benefits the short gamma/short skew trader.. The long vol trader sees large returns only only seldom and in those years gets wacked hard in a higher tax bracket more then even losses from previous years can make up for..
    #10     Jan 21, 2013