Immigration Bill Would Give Country To Dems

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by pspr, Apr 23, 2013.

  1. pspr

    pspr

    The immigration proposal pending in Congress would transform the nation’s political landscape for a generation or more — pumping as many as 11 million new Hispanic voters into the electorate a decade from now in ways that, if current trends hold, would produce an electoral bonanza for Democrats and cripple Republican prospects in many states they now win easily.

    Beneath the philosophical debates about amnesty and border security, there are brass-tacks partisan calculations driving the thinking of lawmakers in both parties over comprehensive immigration reform, which in its current form offers a pathway to citizenship — and full voting rights — for a group of undocumented residents that roughly equals the population of Ohio, the nation’s seventh-largest state.

    If these people had been on the voting rolls in 2012 and voted along the same lines as other Hispanic voters did last fall, President Barack Obama’s relatively narrow victory last fall would have been considerably wider, a POLITICO analysis showed.

    Key swing states that Obama fought tooth and nail to win — like Florida, Colorado and Nevada — would have been comfortably in his column. And the president would have come very close to winning Arizona.

    Republican Mitt Romney, by contrast, would have lost the national popular vote by 7 percentage points, 53 percent to 46 percent, instead of the 4-point margin he lost by in 2012, and would have struggled even to stay competitive in GOP strongholds like Texas, which he won with 57 percent of the vote.

    The analysis is based on U.S. Census and Pew Research Center estimates of illegal immigrant populations by state, and presidential exit polls showing how Obama and Romney performed among Latinos.

    Extrapolating 2012 voting trends to the 2028 presidential election — the first in which previously undocumented Hispanics could exercise their voting rights after a 13-year path to citizenship — is an inherently speculative exercise. But it is one that highlights the political sword hanging over Republicans as they consider immigration reform with a path to citizenship, an idea that is already deeply unpopular with many red-state constituencies.

    To support the measure virtually guarantees millions of new Democratic voters. But for Republicans to oppose immigration reform invites hostility among Hispanic-Americans who already are punishing the GOP and imperiling its electoral prospects.

    This reality, say many Republican strategists, gives the party no long-term alternative but to welcome the new voters and hope this allows the party to compete for Hispanic voters in ways that are closer to how President George W. Bush performed in 2004. National exit polls that year showed he won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote. Some analysts have questioned this data, but there is little doubt that Bush performed significantly better with this group than Romney, who got just 27 percent.

    If Republicans do nothing to repair their relationships with current and future Latino voters, “we certainly won’t be a national political party anymore,” said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, a top adviser to John McCain in 2008.

    If one adds 11 million new Hispanic voters after immigration reform but applies 2004 percentages, the damage to Republicans is real but much less severe: Romney would have still won border states Texas and Arizona, albeit by smaller margins, while Obama would have held other Latino-heavy swing states like Nevada and Florida by slightly larger margins than the ones he did win by.


    http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/immigration-reform-could-upend-electoral-college-90478.html
     
  2. I just can't understand why we're wasting all this time, money, and energy on new laws which we all know will not be enforced, just as the current immigration laws aren't adequately enforced. Well, I'm not being honest. I know exactly why we're wasting all this time and money on the issue. Votes. Votes, so the pigs at the government trough can continue their feeding frenzy.
     
  3. This is why the Koch bros picked up a former Bush admin guy named Garza to steer hispanic voters into the republican party.
     
  4. pspr

    pspr

    Just herd them up like cattle, eh? I don't think that will work.

    If the Republicans were to adopt the Democrap approach to immigration everyone in Mexico would be allowed into the U.S. and be granted citizenship with virtually no obligation to assimilate. The tax burden is already going to be unbearable on the rest of us (those paying taxes) to support the 11 million here once they have citizen benefits. To take the Democrap tact and open the borders would be a simple disaster for America. Not that giving even just the 11 million already here isn't going to be a disaster for us.

    The right thing to do is to finally seal the border and kick every illegal out of the country. Let them then apply for re-entry and some standards can then be applied. Amnesty is not in our best interests or in the interests of those trying to come here legally.
     
  5. >>If Republicans do nothing to repair their relationships with current and future Latino voters, “we certainly won’t be a national political party anymore,” said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt, a top adviser to John McCain in 2008.<<

    In other words, it is important for the republican consultant class that we quickly sell out our country so they can continue to get work. And why in the world would we take advice on how to win elections from one of the architechs of the McCain disaster?

    How about we take a different approach, instead of just giving up? How about the republicans make it their policy to root out illegals and prevent more from coming here? How about we say hell no to amnesty?

    Then at least voters have a choice. A choice between principle and expediency.

    The republican establishment, personified by McCain and the Bushes, have always looked for an excuse to back amnesty and open borders. The big employers who write the big checks want it. Agribusiness, construction, etc all benefit from illegals and low wages produced by immigrants.

    Who is hurt? Blacks and others at the lower end of the wage scale. How about republicans exploit that and make an effort to get through to those voters that the democrats are killing them? Hispanics are not going to vote republican, no matter what we do. They vote on the basis of race, class and who is going to give them more. McCain was for amnesty and got killed among hispanics. Romney was against it and did at least as well.

    We face a choice. We can legalize these people and see the entire country turned into some bizarre form of mexifornia. Our transition to banana republic status will be complete. Nothing against hispanics, but their voting patterns are as clear as can be. Or, we can fight to retain the country our ancestors fought and died to preserve for us.
     
  6. The die is already cast.

    :mad:
     
  7. I don't think so, close but not yet.

    We are seeing what 20+ years of having an open border and no immigration enforcement does to a rich country bordering poor countries. You have to be willfully ignorant or a traitor to allow this to happen, but that is what Clinton, Bush and Obama chose to do. Now we have to deal with the mess.

    If we take the advice of the democrats and establishment republicans, we can kiss our country goodby. We will see the entire country turn into california. Skyhigh taxes, half the country on welfare, never ending demands for more more more, paid for by fewer and fewer people.

    There is an alternative. We can close the border. We can start denying welfare to illegals. We can alter the idiotic interpretation that any illegal who has a baby on US soil confers US citizenship on them.

    These actions would be painted as harsh, but they merely mirror the immigration laws of virtually every other country, including Mexico.
     
  8. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Agreed, but who among our "leaders" is even proposing such measures. And what chance do they have of getting passed by congress?
     
  9. Here in California, illegal aliens have been called "undocumented democrats" for at least the last ten years.
     
    #10     Apr 23, 2013