IMCL Options....

Discussion in 'Options' started by palawan, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. yes. ignoring the febs which have only 10 days left, mar is about 1700bp's over may on avg. wee.
     
    #11     Feb 10, 2004
  2. palawan

    palawan

    Disclaimer: Not a recommendation and not my position

    How about this: Long Covered Calls, Long Puts - Bearish on IMCL

    I know that Covered Calls are synthetic puts, but see the details and see if it makes sense.

    Long 1000 Shares at 41.16 = Debit 41,160
    Short 10 March 40 Calls (5 x 5.3) = Credit 5,000
    Long 20 March 35 Puts (2 x 2.15) = Debit 4,300

    Total Position cost = Debit 40,460

    Scenario 1 - IMCL gets approval for Erbitux and stock takes off (more than 40/share by March Expiration) 1000 Shares get called and the puts expire worthless for a loss of $460

    Scenario 2 - IMCL gets FDA rejection and trades at 20/share (based on experience with other one-drug companies, IMCL should trade lower) - Exercise 10 March 35 puts for a loss of $5460 on 1000 shares and sell the other 10 puts for a profit of $15,000 (Total profit of $9,540)

    Scenario 3 - IMCL for some reason or another (i.e. gets approval but the stock behaves "sell the news", FDA announcement of delayed decision, etc.) and sells at 35/share on March Expiration. Maximum loss of position at -$5,460

    Breakeven for the position is somewhere around 29.50/share for IMCL

    Position Analysis: Sounds like a lot of trouble to get a discount on 10 March 35 puts, but it's a calculated-risk position.

    Subjectively: If we give scenario-1 a 40% probability and Scenario-2 a 20% probability, then there is a 60% chance that it's a better position to have than outright purchase of 10 March 35 puts for a cost of $2,150

    Given that Scenario-3 is a 40% probability (and any of the range 30/share to 39/share) then that's a calculated risk to even come out with the maximum loss, anyway...

    I read that the majority ANALyst opinions are for the approval of Erbitux - fwiw.

    Again, I'm just doing thought exercises here and the short-time spread (short March and long May) is something that I'm going to plot on a spreadsheet. Thanks.
     
    #12     Feb 10, 2004
  3. It's a put backspread with no upside profit, so I don't consider it a good trade. A put backspread with profit on both sides can be accomplished (much more simply) with all puts:

    -10 MAR 50 P
    +20 MAR 40 P

    This trade centers the maximum loss (-$7800) at 40, near the current stock price. Upside profit kicks in above 47.80 and caps off at $2100. Downside profit kicks in below 32.06 and keeps rising until stock is zero.

    You would obviously want the stock to move a great deal from its current level.

    wee
     
    #13     Feb 10, 2004
  4. What about a put and call vertical spread at the same time?
     
    #14     Feb 10, 2004
  5. five point verticals up and down:

    +10 MAR 40 C
    -10 MAR 45 C
    +10 MAR 40 P
    -10 MAR 35 P

    max profit $950 on either side;
    max loss about $4000 @ 40;
    loss zone is 35.92 to 44.03

    ten point verticals:

    +10 MAR 40 C
    -10 MAR 50 C
    +10 MAR 40 P
    -10 MAR 30 P

    raise the max profit to $3300 up and down;
    max loss $6690 @ 40;
    loss zone is 33.30 to 46.68

    wee
     
    #15     Feb 10, 2004
  6. btw i like none of these trades.....poor r/r across the board.

    wee
     
    #16     Feb 10, 2004
  7. palawan

    palawan

    I like the -10 March 50P +20 March 40 a lot. Thanks for sharing.

    Scratch my previous post - it SUCKS.

    I played around with the covered calls, long puts risk/reward in my head and it SUCKS! Covered-calls really suck in a volatile environment. The position has a similar risk-reward profile of Long 10 March 30 puts without ALL of the TROUBLES.

    {Long 21%}
     
    #17     Feb 11, 2004
  8. To profit on that backspread, you willl need IMCL to move 20% of its value up or down in 37 days.

    Good luck. You'll need it. :cool:

    wee
     
    #18     Feb 11, 2004
  9. palawan

    palawan

    I'm only approved for Level 2 options trading, so spreads are not an "option" (pun intended) for me :D

    I think a 20% movement on the shareprice is doable because of the nature of the catalyst. On the downside, there is no question on my mind. The downside is a little tough as an approval is already priced-in to the stock (with current market cap of over $3B for IMCL).
     
    #19     Feb 11, 2004
  10. That's a long(short) butterfly or condor, depending on strikes used.

    riskarb
     
    #20     Feb 11, 2004