I'm starting to realize ECN rebates are for suckers

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by Sky123987, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. johnston

    johnston

    whats does "beating the spread" mean?
     
    #11     Dec 6, 2007
  2. onelot

    onelot

    it means hitting the bid/offer with so many orders that it falls and bleeds under your mighty hand.

    but, in this case, what i think he meant was to make the difference between bid/ask in profits. so, if you want long and you take the offer you pay or lose the spread, but if you bid instead and get filled you make the spread or beat it.
     
    #12     Dec 6, 2007
  3. I scalp spready stocks all day long, and if I buy an offer, and instantly put an offer out 10 cents, and am in the trade less than 2 seconds, I consider that "earning the spread" and feel that it's far easier to make a 10 cent spread that way than by joining or pennying the bid vs lifting the offer. Often when you get filled you'll immediately be "out" the spread" if you will.
     
    #13     Dec 7, 2007
  4. Since the enactment of the NMS (National Market System)... we won't get traded through (supposedly), but will, at times, find that NYSE will fill at the same exact price and not fill on ARCA, but it's pretty rare.

    I tested this on GE for a few weeks and found that perhaps 5% of the orders parked on ARCA didn't get filled when NYSE would have. Not a bad percentage, and really thick stock.

    Don
     
    #14     Dec 10, 2007

  5. thanks for sharing that Don. Why do you think that would be? One would think that all the NYSE orders would be cleared first and then all the ARCA ones... yielding a percentage much > 5%
     
    #15     Dec 10, 2007
  6. A lot of program trading is designed for NYSE only since they don't want to pay the "taking liquidity" fee for ARCA orders. These orders are constantly being sent in to NYSE vs. ARCA. ARCA is a "last resort" for those hitting bids or taking out offers at exact same price.

    Don
     
    #16     Dec 13, 2007