If you want to fail as a trader, study TA

Discussion in 'Psychology' started by The Expert, Apr 27, 2010.

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  1. Wether a person uses a chart or not, how they will make money will be totally unique to themselves.

    Afterall, there are only two sides to the market, the right side and the wrong side.

    A trader may find themselves on the right or wrong side of the market, but it's how they cope with both sides that distinguishes them,......chart or no chart.

    Merit, ability, conduct.
     
    #921     Jun 12, 2010
  2. If you look at a chart, you must know what to look for:D

    An art lover will see the art in the painting, when, the general public will see nothing but colored smudges:eek:

    You are starting to draw out my REAL charts, so, I best be careful in case I give away too much and get kicked out of TFF :mad:

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    TE
     
    #922     Jun 12, 2010
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    #923     Jun 12, 2010
  4. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Patience waiting for your best setups will pay off most of the time. Marginal setups usually follow hesitating to take a prime setup, missing a great move and then wanting to get back what you missed. Getting back what you missed comes from patiently waiting for the next best setup to come along. I don't think trading a marginal setup has ever resulted in a winning trade for me, come to think of it.

    Every day and every trade is brand new. I'm fighting this one all the time. Very easy to let what happened in the market before make you think it will happen again, or to let news give you a bias even when price is going the other direction, or to let three profitable trades reverse to stop out break even, then catch the big runner of the day and take only a fraction of the move because you aren't gonna let THAT happen again! :eek:

    So, my advice in a nutshell is to wait patiently for your best setups and jump on them immediately. If you lose your mind (as we all do, and often without warning) and take an ass-kicking, take a break, picture yourself taking only your best setups again, and just do it.

    Sometimes fantastic moves come out of setups that aren't a part of your arsenal. Trading is an ongoing learning process. When you see those moves, study them after the market closes. Is there a longer term trend line or S/R level that incited the move? Was it a break out of a flag, triangle, wedge, consolidation, prison cell, etc? Or was it just news-based? If it looks like something worth adding to your arsenal, then add it.

    Patience does pay off as long as you take your setups. Patience is difficult to exercise consistently, though, because price is constantly moving and we feel like we should be catching some of every move. But really just one good trade a day can provide a great income.
     
    #924     Jun 12, 2010
  5. NoDoji

    NoDoji

    Thanks a lot TE! There went MY edge.
     
    #925     Jun 12, 2010
  6. If you don’t mind ‘The Expert’ I would like DT to answer (if he chooses to or not is another matter). I don’t mean to interrupt your thread, but I am curious as to why DT has come here to learn how to trade even though he is close friends with rathcoole_exile from trade2win.

    It must be because DT has realised that rathcoole_exile from trade2win is an absolute clueless imbecile.
     
    #926     Jun 12, 2010
  7. Redneck

    Redneck


    Painfully so


    Let me see if I can put together a series of post to possibly help – without being overtly OBVIOUS :)


    RN
     
    #927     Jun 12, 2010
  8. Redneck

    Redneck

    TE Posted - What is the most important thing to learn about for trading effectively?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjsjZWlRVvo



    MK – this carefully how this applies to trading

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    TE Posted

    Why complicate things that need not be complicated

    BLASH or SHABL

    &

    SLABL or BHASH

    OR

    WTBATFP or WTSATFR

    &

    WTSATFBD or WTBATFBO




    MK – To do this successfully you need to do the above


    TE - The failure fails.. :)


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    I restructured your post

    MK Posted

    Often I'll be up, but there is no logical place to move my stop, so a win turns into a loss.

    The times I move the stop up to avoid this I often end up with a tiny win after being stopped out and then price goes to the original target which I miss out on.




    From the last two charts TE posted – seems you would have entered long on the first one…. Exited on the second one… then watch price end up where it did (again on the second one)


    Rhetorical question… You ever go back and analyze your failed trades…. Or analyze what price ultimately did… and why it did it……



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    MK Posted

    I'm really not sure what the "most important" thing is. – refer to the video and use your grey matter
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    I'd want to know as much pertinent information as possible about what I'm trading. – This is bullshit – trade what you see
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    I'd want to have a process/plan to follow and know it inside & out so I could execute if flawlessly. – This is the goal
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    I'd follow my process – This is the goal

    if I could create one, - This is bullshit – use your grey matter to create one

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    but I'm stuck on the mechanical parts of entering at the right time and when to exit prior to a target being hit.


    That you’re stuck – I have no doubt…

    That you’re striving for perfection (perfection in each trade and perfection from the market) – I have no doubt……and its bullshit… THIS IS TRADING…


    Strive for trading excellence by

    First removing you head from your butt and thinking through this logically and figuring out how to…


    Manage you and your actions
    Preparing a plan and executing it exactly
    Trade exactly what you see
    Identify low risk and exploiting it
    Analyzing your failed trades to see what price ultimately did.. and why


    RN
     
    #928     Jun 12, 2010
  9. "Merit, ability, conduct"..................I just read those exact words yesterday from someone with the screen name of Socrates on the T2W board. These forums are starting to become very strange; everybody seems to be intermingled with everybody else.
     
    #929     Jun 12, 2010
  10. Thanks everybody for the comments & advice:

    Trading NQ. 1 contract. Risking a max of 1% of the capital in my account per trade (usually less than 1%). I'm slightly under-capitalized or I'd risk less. Sorry, not sure what you mean by % of leveraged trading capital.

    Yes I'm all over the place. I know that's a big problem of mine because I actually say that out loud to myself all the time.

    The good news is I used to be even worse; I'm making progress. :)
     
    #930     Jun 12, 2010
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