If You Trade Using Moving Averages, How?

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by easymon1, Jul 30, 2020.

  1. Tradex

    Tradex

    Here is a Bollinger bands backtest :
    https://decodingmarkets.com/backtesting-bollinger-bands/

    As you can see it returns 5.54% a year on average, about half the return of a simple buy and hold approach (using the S&P500 as a benchmark).

    The trader should never take any indicator or trading idea for granted, he must backtest it first.
     
    #11     Jul 30, 2020
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  2. Tradex

    Tradex

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    #12     Jul 30, 2020
  3. ph1l

    ph1l

    The document doesn't show a test for simple moving averages but does claim (surprise surprise) his moving average is the best among several other nonlinear moving averages.
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    #13     Jul 30, 2020
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  4. Tradex

    Tradex

    Yep, the old "Coke is better than Pepsi" routine, LOL :D
    Still an interesting study though, thanks again.
     
    #14     Jul 30, 2020
  5. panzerman

    panzerman

    Ehlers is a bona fide DSP engineer. The material he presents is backed by solid science and engineering. As always, a caveat, anything from the world of physics applied to finance is or could be a misapplication of the physics. Still, better than Elliot Wave!
     
    #15     Jul 30, 2020
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  6. Tradex

    Tradex

    Absolutely, good point!
     
    #16     Jul 30, 2020
  7. I absolutely agree with you.

    What I am saying is that moving averages work much better when you replace them with Bollinger Bands, that is, the average itself + X standard deviations. How you turn these into a trading system is a whole other deal and yes, back testing is essential. In the study you quoted, I honestly can't wrap my head around trading on a daily chart using a 5-period Bollinger Band. Daily charts imply longer maturation periods, which are not compatible with such a small average, which in turn implies some heavy volatility in terms of results.

    You simply can't beat long-term results by making several short-term trades, which have much higher liquidity. It's just how the statistics work, risk is always proportional to return, liquidity, maturity and volatility. Not sure if I am making sense, I tend to post here after a few drinks.
     
    #17     Jul 31, 2020
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  8. Peter8519

    Peter8519

    Just do a simple experiment. But need a charting system with daily data and a screening script. Run a scan for events that a stock can stay above a moving average in days. The scan results should have a long list of ticker symbols with number of days. Sort this list and do a frequency plot(count number of 1s, 2s, 3s and so on). You will notice not many can stay above a moving average for too long. Patient pays.
     
    #18     Aug 2, 2020
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  9. Tradex

    Tradex

    That's why markets do not trend 70% of the time or so.
    Good post, Peter.
     
    #19     Aug 2, 2020
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  10. drunnels

    drunnels

    Yeah. I slap BB on my Heikin-Ashi candlesticks and trade the reversals off the bottom band and the midpt (20dma). And doing this on a weekly chart blasts the faster/shorter charts. I sometimes trade the daily or intraday charts as well if I'm bored, but nothing beats longer term performance and with little input from me, the huge metric is profit/effort.
     
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