If You Like Exercise…Chances Are You’re Doing It Wrong: Proper Strength Training for Maximum Results

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    Proper strength training is the only system capable of satisfying all five potential benefits of exercise—an increase in strength, flexibility, cardiovascular condition, body-composition, and injury prevention. If You Like Exercise…Chances Are You’re Doing It Wrong: Proper Strength Training for Maximum Results, Gary Bannister (iUniverse, Inc, 2013)

    Total Conditioning the Arthur Jones/Nautilus Way

    (Gary Bannister Responds Below)

    As a long-time observer and student of Arthur Jones and his training principles, my antenna went up when John Turner, aka Mr. Nautilus alerted me to a new Arthur Jones book by Gary Bannister. Both Turner and Bannister have written books about Arthur and his teachings. Turner, mentored by Jones, published The Path of Most Resistance in 2012. Bannister was a long-time associate of Jones and has an insider’s perspective. This is his second Jones book; the first was In Arthur’s Shadow, published in 2005.

    The title of Bannister’s new book—If You Like Exercise…Chances Are You’re Doing It Wrong—isboth provocative and telling. Bannister does an excellent job of explaining the what, why, and how of Arthur’s training principles. In so doing, however, he may also be underscoring the flaw—dare I say weakness—that turns fitness enthusiasts away.

    Bannister is a good writer and storyteller. I enjoyed—and recommend—his book. The many Jones stories and pronouncements which populate the book throughout are easily worth the price of the book. (I’ll share a story or two with you that make a critical point.) Bannister has also afforded me the opportunity to assess once again where I stand on some of the most important Nautilus training principles. I’m onboard for the most part. Where I deviate, it’s not because I believe Arthur has it wrong, but because I believe his recommendations—demands—are unrealistic. No system is viable when even serious trainers are unwilling to comply over the long haul.

    I’ll touch on a few basic tenets of “Proper Strength Training” with which I wholeheartedly agree—and elaborate on one that may be the Achilles heel.

    1) Intensity is the cornerstone of Proper Strength Training. Each exercise must be continued to a point of momentary muscular failure. That’s overload; everyone agrees that it is the key stimulus to muscle growth. To make progress you must continually challenge your muscles. “Young man,” Jones told Bannister with a finger in his face, “if you perform ten repetitions of an exercise when you could have done twelve, you may as well stay in the parking lot. You’ll get the same result—nothing.”

    2) “Train hard, train briefly, train infrequently,” Jones repeated over and over again. Not everyone agrees—most probably don’t—but I have followed that advice with great success for many years. The end result has been ~45-minute, one-set, whole-body weight workouts once or twice a week; split routines, according to Jones, make no more sense than eating or sleeping for a particular part of your body. (My current routine is described in the Postscript at the end of Take Charge.)

    3) “Steady-state (aerobic) training is necessary for cardiovascular benefits and non-steady-state exercise (progressive resistance) is required for meaningful strength increases,” Jones wrote. “Both results can be produced from the same training program,” he proclaimed. The factor that makes that plausible, according to Bannister, is moving quickly from one exercise to the next; he calls it “the essence of Proper Strength Training.” That rings true (see why below), but I wonder how many people are willing—or able—to rush from exercise to exercise workout after workout?

    Not many. Bannister confirms that compliance was a problem from the start.

    In 1970, to prove the efficacy of his fledgling conditioning philosophy, Jones invited anyone and everyone to train under his guidance in Lake Helen, Florida. “The free offer was no bargain,” Bannister relates. “Of the many that showed, some vowed never to return; others believed—as they lay sprawled on the floor—that he was on to something.

    Perhaps mindful of that experience, Arthur chose his main guinea pig very careful. I attended the 1970 Mr. America contest in California, where a prototype, perhaps two, of the Nautilus machines was on display. I looked them over—as I recall, one was called The Blue Monster—but had no inkling that Nautilus was soon to profoundly change the world of fitness. Moreover, I had no clue that Arthur was busy behind scenes recruiting 18-year-old Casey Viator to work and train under his guidance. Everyone noticed Viator, who made a spectacular first appearance, placing third. Arthur, however, saw more. His saw surreal genetic potential.

    The following year, with Arthur overseeing virtually every training session, Casey won the Teenage Mr. America, Jr. Mr. America, and Mr. America, all at the age of 19, becoming the youngest person ever to do win the Mr. America contest. I also witnessed Casey's Mr. America win. But I didn’t foresee that he was to become the poster boy for Nautilus. (My main interest at that time was the U.S. National Weightlifting Championship held along with the Mr. America contest.)

    Clearly, Jones’ bodybuilding system, the Nautilus system, worked. Still, as Bannister relates, the compliance problem remained: “Word got out: The new method worked but was ‘Hell on rubbery legs.’ No one but Viator could do it. In fact, no one could last more than a few minutes.”

    To illustrate, Bannister brings Sergio Oliva and Arnold Schwarzenegger into the picture. Known to everyone in bodybuilding by their first names only, they traveled to Deland, Florida, to train under Arthur’s direction. Bannister tells about it using Ellington Darden’s eyewitness account in The Nautilus Bodybuilding Book (1982). He (Bannister) titles the section, “Difficult It Is.”

    Casey began by performing 25 nonstop repetitions on a leg press machine with 460 pounds. Immediately he was hustled from the leg press to the leg extension where he did 22 repetitions with 200 pounds…Instantly, Jones raced Casey to the squat rack where a barbell was loaded with 400 pounds. Then, Viator ground our 17 continuous repetitions in the full squat.

    ‘Ok, Sergio, you’re up,’ said Jones, as Casey, unable to walk, slithered to the nearest hiding place.

    Oliva reached the squat rack after 17 repetitions with 460 in the leg press and 16 repetitions in the leg extension with 200 pounds. When Sergio broke the lock in his knees for the squat with 400 pounds, he went to the floor as if he had been knocked in the head. After being helped to his feet, he tried it again—with the same result. One hundred pounds were removed from the bar, during which delay Sergio was afforded some rest, and then he performed seven repetitions with 300 pounds.


    Arnold Schwarzenegger also went through a similar training session under Jones’ watchful eye and remarked. 'I’ve often experienced times during a workout where I had difficulty walking. But this is the first time that I’ve ever had difficulty lying down.'

    * * *

    As noted, Arthur Jones claimed that total conditioning—strength and endurance—could best be achieved with “Proper Strength Training.” Here's my simplified interpretation of how it works.

    The basic idea is that the muscles, the heart, the lungs, and the circulatory system are all part of the same system. Muscular contraction produces movement and drives the entire system. “A contracting muscle requires oxygen,” Bannister explains, “and repeated contractions, more.” Contracting the muscles creates the need for oxygen, making the heart beat faster, and the lungs and the circulatory system work harder. When the system works harder it gets stronger.

    Contract muscles to the point of momentary failure and do it repeatedly, moving quickly from one body part to another, covering the entire body—and you will build both strength and endurance. What’s more, you will do so more effectively and efficiently than traditional methods which attempt to train the muscles and the heart separately. “A strength-training program, properly designed, can elicit a cardiovascular response that equals or surpasses that achieved through traditional means,” Bannister declares.

    In support, he cites a 2012 study discussed here in an article titled “No Such Thing As Cardio.” That review study, led by James Steele, suggested that resistance training to failure can produce cardiovascular fitness effects while simultaneously producing improvements in strength, power, and other health and fitness variables. They concluded that “intense muscular contraction” is the key to total conditioning. (For more details, go tohttp://www.cbass.com/NoCardio.htm )

    The Steele study (and others) suggests that Arthur Jones was way ahead of his time. Jones, Turner, Bannister, Darden et al go further. They contend that the coup de grâce to traditional training was delivered 38 years ago.

    In 1975, Arthur Jones went to the United States Military Academy at West Point to establish once and for all that Proper Strength Training is, in fact, the best way to build strength—and endurance. What happened there was reported by Captain James A. Peterson, Associate Professor of Physical Education, in a paper titled “Total Conditioning: A Case Study.” (Athletic Journal, Vol. 56 September, 1975)

    Here are the key details, taken from Mr. Bannister’s book.

    Jones sold a set of Nautilus machines to West Point and persuaded the Academy to study the effects of “a short duration, high intensity strength training program.” The study was called “Project Total Conditioning.” Importantly, Dr. Kenneth Cooper, the father of aerobics, and his team were brought in to measure the cardiovascular fitness of the cadets, before and after the study intervention. Captain Peterson and his staff did the other testing, which included strength, flexibility, and body composition.

    Fifty-three cadets (members of the football team) were divided into three groups: a Nautilus-Only group (21), a control group (16), and a neck-only group (16). During both a two-week trial period (to minimize the effect of motor learning) and a six-week study period, the Nautilus-Only group performed one set of 8 to 12 repetitions to muscular failure on ten Nautilus machines three times a week. The control group continued training with the rest of the football team, which was running two miles for time and performing an unsupervised circuit of strength training exercises three times a week. The neck-only group used a prototype neck machine. (I assume that football practice continued for all three groups.)

    The Nautilus-Only group was supervised—and how. The training was brutal—cadets were pushed to muscular failure at every station and then rushed to the next station. “For all practical purposes,” Peterson reported, “the intensity of the workouts was so severe that it would have been impossible to appreciably extend them. During the first workouts a few subjects became nauseated, but after several weeks of training, not only had such negative reactions entirely disappeared, but average time to complete a comparable workout had been considerably shortened.”

    Colonel Al Rushatz, second in command in the Department of Physical Education, joined in the training and commented after the fact, “I had never worked so hard, nor seen anyone worked to the level the cadets achieved.”

    All measurements were taken without knowledge of who was in what group. The results were astounding.

    After six weeks of training, the Nautilus-Only group increased the resistance used in their exercises by a minimum of 45% and maximum of 70%--for an average of 58.54%. At the same time the cadets decreased their training time per session by between 4.5 to 9 minutes, with the average workout lasting just short of 30 minutes.

    Nautilus-Only group increased flexibility by 11%, compared to 0.85% in the control group.

    With regard to body composition, the Nautilus-only group lost more fat than the control group.

    Now we come to the pivotal changes in cardiovascular fitness. There were 60 physiological tests in all, and the Nautilus-Only group was superior to the control group in every test. In the three functional tests, the Nautilus-Only group performed in spectacular fashion. On the 2-mile run, Nautilus-Only group improved on average by 88 seconds, compared to 20 seconds for the control group. On the 40-yard dash, Nautilus-Only group improved by almost twice (1.89) as much as the controls. Finally, in the vertical jump, Nautilus-Only group improved more than four times (4.57) more than the control group.

    In short, the Nautilus-Only group ran farther and faster and jumped higher than the control group training in traditional fashion.

    Unbelievable? Dr. Cooper thought so. When presented with a summary of the results, he called them “impossible” and threw them in the trash can. At that time, of course, Cooper believed that strength training had little or no cardiovascular value.

    Captain Peterson, however, backed Jones in his report summary: “The data suggests that some of these cardiovascular benefits apparently cannot be achieved by any other type of training.”

    “The study made clear,” Peterson concluded, “that high-intensity (weight) training is the most efficient conditioning method known that simultaneously develops high degrees of aerobic and anaerobic conditioning. It offers increases in size and strength, as well as cardiovascular improvement.”

    Bannister adds that the results “stunned the field of exercise but failed to impress those who remained firm in their belief that Arthur was blowing smoke. Apparently he wasn’t.”

    Perhaps not, but the question remains whether an appreciable number of people are willing—or able—to push themselves that hard without Arthur or the military driving them to the outer limits of effort, workout after workout. Proper Strength Training may be the most efficient way to build strength and endurance simultaneously—but what difference does it make if serious strength trainers are unwilling to keep doing it. Surely, it isn’t a viable approach for lifetime fitness.

    * * *

    I believe it makes more sense—and is more practical—to rest as long as necessary between sets to exert maximum effort on each strength movement—and then do brief, whole-body, high-intensity intervals or sprints to build and maintain cardiovascular fitness. You can combine the two forms of training or do them in separate workouts. That’s my approach. The details are in my book Take Charge.

    I agree with Arthur Jones that intensity—not volume—is the key to achieving total fitness, strength and endurance, but I would approach it differently. How you do it is up to you.

    Jones freely admitted that few people would train as he recommended without his hobnail boots urging them on. He never trained that way for very long.


    Gary Bannister Responds

    Dear Mr. Bass,
    I was honored that you took the time to read my effort and were so thorough in your critique. You were right on.

    I remember Arthur spinning a tale about a prototype stand-up lumbar extension machine, one of many. It was the first to prevent pelvic rotation and it worked. The only problem was, according to Jones, "It took two people to put you in and three to drag you out." He compared it to a car with no doors, and may have done the same with his exercise system. It worked without question, but few could do it and even fewer would stay with it for any length of time - which, as you suggest, does not change the facts. In theory, Arthur's system of high intensity training was the most complete, effective and efficient method to get from A to B. It does, however, fly in the face of human nature.

    Despite the clear and obvious definition, most trainees define momentary muscle failure as the level of intensity they are willing to work to, and not beyond. Therefore, the only purpose and result that can be expected from Jones' lifetime effort (and from reading my book) is to encourage trainees to work harder at what they do, which in the end, may encourage brief, less frequent workouts. If my audience steers in that direction, I will have accomplished one goal.

    The second underlying purpose of writing the books I have to this point relates to the fact that the entire field of exercise has fallen prey (as it always has) to systems that are commercially oriented - nothing more than inferior, easier methods (often not based in sound physiology) that lull trainees into a sense that they are indeed doing something that they can call exercise. Most are not willing to put out the effort. Yet, obtaining a result is not the same as obtaining the best result. Commerce has far outweighed truth in this field - something not likely to change.

    Thanks, Mr. Bass, for being an advocate of truth over the years, and thanks for your kind words regarding my writing. I'm already working on my next book.

    Gary Bannister
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  2. Baron

    Baron ET Founder

    That pretty much hit the nail on the head. Nobody I know can push themselves hard enough for true high-intensity training. And even if they could, they would only do it for a short period before giving up because it's too much torture for any sane person to desire again and again. So in a way, Arthur Jones' method of training is very similar to trying a Ketogenic diet: It may be the optimum method for losing fat quickly, but it's not something people can continue doing for a lifetime. And if they can't continue doing it, then was it truly a solution to their problem? The answer is no.

    I also think that nobody should ever try HIT training unless they have years of traditional lifting under their belt. If a person with no prior training background tries the HIT method right off the bat, it will most likely cause them to never want to lift again because it's just too hard.

    I definitely don't regret trying it myself, and I'm glad I was trained by Ellington Darden himself so that I could experience what true HIT training is all about. But when I was laying on Darden's floor breathing out of a paper bag after the workout, I couldn't help but ask myself "What in the hell am I doing? This isn't enjoyable on any level."
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  3. I understand your point. And so does Clarence Bass. Which is why he chooses to train intensely, take sufficient breaks between sets, and then do cardio on another day. He may not get the quite same metabolic effect of training without breaks during his lifting routine, but he gets it done on his HIIT cardio day. This is pretty much what I do, although I also include an abbreviated HIIT routine right after the resistance component.

    I'm sure I would not have tolerated going to true failure and then going to the next exercise without rest even in my prime, let alone now. I just don't see the point of it. It may make the workout that much more brief but, to my knowledge, not taking breaks between sets to failure does little or nothing for strength or hypertrophy. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I get the point that a workout needs to be hard, and I have subscribed to that principle since Day One. But there's no cause to go medieval. As I understand it, the key principles of HIT are intensity, brevity and infrequency. I don't think that no rest between sets is an essential component or criterion.
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  4. Clarence Bass's article, posted above, included the following link to an earlier related article, and so I thought it would be worthwhile to post it here as well:


    No Such Thing As Cardio!

    That is the conclusion of a review study led by Southampton Solent University (UK) doctoral candidate James Steele and published online in the June 2012 Journal of Exercise Physiology (JEP). Not only do Steele and his colleagues say the division between aerobic and resistance training (RT) is a misleading notion, they propose that resistance training to failure may do it all. “In fact, this review suggests that RT to failure can produce cardiovascular (CV) fitness effects while simultaneously producing improvements in strength, power, and other health and fitness variables,” the Steele team wrote. Untrained individuals looking for the most efficient way to become fit need look no further than RT. They grant that those striving for athletic performance will have to practice their sport in order to build the specific motor skills and other variables involved. You can’t expect RT to prepare you to run hurtles or play tennis. Don’t try a triathlon based on RT alone.

    Doug McGuff, MD, the only American on the Steele research team, has long taken this position. He has also been frank to say that he didn’t expect their paper to see the light of day in his lifetime. Indicating its controversial nature, the Steele report was rejected by several journals before being accepted by the JEP, and then only after several revisions. James Steele is to be commended for his perseverance. The review has the potential to change the landscape of fitness.

    I can see the protests coming, so let’s dig into the report and see how the Steele team arrived at such a seemingly radical conclusion.

    Steele and colleagues reviewed the literature on resistance training and cardiovascular fitness. A primary concern was the effect of intensity, specifically the results of training to momentary muscular failure. They sought to determine if the results of resistance training to momentary muscular failure differed from the response to traditional endurance training. Their hypothesis was that there would be little if any difference, that the responses and adaptations would be essentially the same.

    Steele et al observed that brief, high-intensity interval training has been shown to increase endurance as much or more than traditional endurance training. Aerobic metabolism and anaerobic metabolism appear to be linked; training beyond the anaerobic threshold does not terminate CV adaptation. Importantly, duration appears to be less important than intensity. Taking it a step further, the Steele team suggested that the shorter duration and higher intensity of RT may give it an advantage over intervals in building CV fitness. “In fact, it is reasonable to conclude that modality [type of training] appears to be of little relevance in producing an improvement in CV fitness since the evidence indicates that improvement is possible by RT as long as intensity is high,” they wrote.

    Research demonstrates that RT significantly improves the basic variables of CV fitness; nevertheless, the general belief is that RT must be supplemented with some form of aerobic or endurance training (such as running or biking) to significantly improve CV fitness. Steele and his colleagues questioned whether sufficient attention is being given to the role of intensity, which they define as effort, not load. (Maximum intensity means maximum effort.) They believe the effectiveness of RT in improving CV fitness would be seen differently if intensity was properly considered. They set out to determine if the literature would support that belief.

    In summary, they found that few studies have directly compared the effects of RT and endurance training. Those that have appropriately controlled for intensity suggest that there are no significant differences in CV or physiological responses. The immediate (acute) responses to RT to momentary muscular failure do not differ from that of traditional training. Heart function appears to be maintained and perhaps enhanced. The response to RT appears to be a speed-up in heart rate and blood flow. The magnitude of local blood flow appears to be determined by contraction intensity. There is little or no information on blood vessel function or nitric oxide production. The continuing or chronic adaptations are more telling. The adaptations include increase in mitochondrial enzymes, proliferation of mitochondria, conversion of muscle fiber type to improve aerobic capacity (surprising but true), and increase in capillarization. (Mitochondria are the oxygen processing powerhouses of the body.)

    “This review appears to be the first to present this conclusion and, therefore, it may help stimulate a changing paradigm addressing the misnomer of cardiovascular exercise as being determined by modality,” the Steele team wrote. In other words, there is no such thing as cardio. Resistance training and endurance training are part and parcel of the same physiological process. Exercise is exercise, with intensity calling the tune.

    It was beyond the scope of the study to suggest how best to employ RT (exercise, load, sets, frequency) in its all-purpose mission. That will be left to future studies. Nevertheless, it is worthwhile noting that the image researchers choose for the schematics of the physiological effects of RT was a figure doing the barbell squat—and not the one-arm dumbbell curl. It seems safe to assume that multi-joint exercises are likely to produce superior overall CV adaptations compared to single-joint isolation movements. It’s probably also a good bet that multiple sets would do the job better than single sets. Needless to say, sets should be continued to fatigue.

    * * *

    Imagine that, resistance training goes from cosmetic to the real deal, making aerobics optional.

    I have no trouble accepting the Steele study. The Stuart Phillips group at McMaster University in Hamilton Ontario Canada has come to a similar conclusion. Nevertheless, it may be premature at this stage to give up all forms of endurance exercise, especially if you enjoy it.

    Keep in mind that motivation (psychology) plays a large part in successful long term training. Variety keeps things interesting. I recently purchased one of the new Concept 2 Ski Ergs, and it has enlivened my training tremendously. I am now competing in the Concept 2 World Rankings at two distances on both the rower and the Ski Erg. The competition with others my age and weight around the world has increased my motivation and improved my performance; there is always someone a little ahead of you to spur you on. Importantly, strength training has made me more competitive on both ergs.

    I enjoy RT, but I also enjoy training and competing on the rower and ski erg, both considered endurance machines. I know from a lifetime of experience that I will do better over time doing a variety of exercises, strength and endurance.

    We all have choices. If doing only RT makes you happy, the Steele study should make you feel better about going with what you enjoy. I enjoy doing both lifting and high intensity aerobics. Moderate-to-low intensity steady state training doesn't appealed to me.

    On the other hand, people who don’t do any form of RT should take note of the Steele study and consider adding RT to their regimen. RT will make them better at what they are doing. Whatever the choice, none of us should forget the importance of staying active between workouts. (I enjoy walking.) Your body and your mind will be better for it.

    A tip of the hat to James Steele and his team (James Fisher, Doug McGuff, Stewart Bruce-Low, and Dave Smith). We are all better off because of your continuing efforts. Resistance training is taking its rightful place in the pantheon of fitness because of researchers like you.

    * * *

    Finally, the clear winner in all of this is intensity/effort. Thanks to Arthur Jones, Ralph Carpinelli, Martin Gibala, Stuart Phillips, Doug McGuff, James Steele, and no doubt others, intensity is proving to be the key to success in all forms of fitness training. For those who want to become more fit, strength or endurance, effort wins over duration every time. Low and moderate intensity exercise have their place, but high intensity exercise is the key to progress.

    Some will disagree, I know, but science is on the side of intensity.
  5. Note that the second article makes no reference to not resting between sets to failure. In fact, rest is implied due to the reference and comparison to intervals.
  6. eurusdzn


    If you are 145 lbs. and can run a marathon, you won't understand weight training can be effective cardio. But if you are 245 lbs. weight training alone may be beneficial cardio.
    Any/many 250 lb. marathoners out there?

    Read once a strength trainer working with the GBP saw linemen working out when Brett Farve walked to the squat rack. "See , he can squat like a lineman" the strength trainer was told.
    No, you have a weight room filled with quarterbacks was the strength coaches reply.

    Off topic anecdote.
  7. Some examples. Looks brutal.

  8. The videos have a medieval flair to them. Is that leather the Mentzers are wearing? :D
  9. Does he have to inject himself slow with a static pause too, or is regular speed juicing ok?
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  10. Baron

    Baron ET Founder

    Great if you have a team of people around you. Unsustainable otherwise.
    #10     Mar 12, 2019