If you knew the market was going to turn in a week

Discussion in 'Options' started by Smart Money, Oct 31, 2018.

  1. Thanks for your reply. I liked Epicurus' as well.

    Like I said, the source of the accuracy for this method baffles me. My usual bread and butter is momentum-based strategies that are sensitive to when sentiment is changing. I do have some "catch a falling knife" methods I play with that work in a similar manner. But both of these are looking only a day or two in the future. In fact, I've made predictions here at E.T. that made people recommend I use them to day trade instead of swing trade.

    But this one is different. I think it works by considering the flow of money from one kind of instrument to the other. When one instrument goes south, investors move their dollars into another instrument over time. As an analogy, sort of like if the regulars aren't playing poker at the casino, you'll probably find them at the blackjack table. Or at least that's what I think is going on. It takes time for it to develop...like a few days...and it seems to only work as the divergence between the two instruments gets larger. My guess is that it won't work all of the time since it's possible that money might flow to other places in a different fiscal environment (like if the craps table suddenly opened up, you can't expect to find people at the black jack table if the poker tables are slow).

    SM
     
    #11     Nov 1, 2018
  2. Hey guys,

    Here's an update. My friends suggested that I should try trading the "weeklys", or very short term positions since they are (a.) discounted and (b.) the move I'm expecting is in the short term.

    I'm trying it with leveraged ETFs, to get a bigger bang for the buck. I'm using Robinhood just to test this out. Very small positions.

    Does that sound right to you?

    SM
     
    #12     Nov 2, 2018
  3. tommcginnis

    tommcginnis

    "Gamma Time!" (doooo-do-do-doot, de-doot de-doot) "Can't touch this!" :wtf:

    If you look at the degree of market movement impact on an option's value (the gamma), it is shaped like a gentle mound for longer-lived options. But that 'balloon' analogy earlier? As the time ticks away, and the air is let out of that balloon, the movement risk (the impact to delta) is concentrated to the market price, like a deflating tent.

    So, the farther the option expiry, the gentler the effect of market movement.
    The closer the market expiry, lesser, lesser, lesser, and the "POW! Right in the kisser!"
    [a tip o' the hat to Ralph Cramden]

    So again -- for long positions, even if the market moves in your direction, if your option is close to dying, the market response to that move will be much less than if your option had several weeks to go -- reflecting the market's diminished expectation of a move to/beyond the strike.

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    #13     Nov 2, 2018
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