If you had to start over...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by David's faith, Sep 12, 2022.

Where would you put in the most effort to learn it.

  1. Portfolio management

    2 vote(s)
    5.9%
  2. Correlation matrix

    1 vote(s)
    2.9%
  3. Price action

    16 vote(s)
    47.1%
  4. Statistics

    15 vote(s)
    44.1%
  1. rb7

    rb7

    So, if you watched the market for the last few decades, it's a form of backtesting.
    Backtesting is simply to look at the past to see if the same can repeat in the future.
     
    #71     Sep 15, 2022
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  2. deaddog

    deaddog

    OK Call it what you will. Not sure what you would call forward testing.
    I see a pattern repeat in the market. Time after time when certain criteria are met, the market moves in a predictable direction. Not all the time but often enough that you could say it had a high probability. The next time I see that set-up I put on a trade. Have I back tested?

    Or I read that a certain set-up has a high probability of working. I watch for that set-up in real time and once it has proven itself I trade it. Have I back tested?

    What I haven't done is gone back in time with any kind of program. A few years ago I tried Vectorvest and there was a backtesting program that I played around with but I never found a strategy that I liked. What I found is that it was too easy to adjust criteria to get to the answer you wanted, but changing the start time or the market didn't give consistent results.

    So I'm saying that I haven't used back testing. If experience in the market and using what seems to work is backtesting then I'm guilty of back testing.
     
    #72     Sep 15, 2022
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  3. Arnie

    Arnie

    I voted Portfolio management. If statistics worked over the short period (daytrading) we'd all be rich.
    Also, if I had to start over I would do what I do now and focus on longer time frames.
    None of it works if you're not disciplined.
     
    #73     Sep 15, 2022

  4. Agreed, A person needs to be disciplined and patient if such a situation occurs.
     
    #74     Sep 17, 2022
  5. Sprout

    Sprout

    If reference to statistics, this is an interesting post of a great mathematics timeline for the math geek in all of us;

     
    #75     Sep 17, 2022
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  6. bamboos

    bamboos


    I would go straight to a market maker, broker, or bank's backoffice to work and gather information on how the wheel plays; then, statistics.
     
    #76     Sep 17, 2022
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  7. I know this is EliteTrader.com but for me, the real missing link has always been macro fundamental analysis. Some of the greatest traders of all time have been gurus at this, and it's easy to learn.

    Starting over, I would learn this first and then very basic TA.

    But of course, risk management is the foundation. It must be mastered before anything else.
     
    #77     Sep 17, 2022
  8. It is sorta part of a correlation matrix because it influences Forex and with forex it influences equities. But I agree. Most greenhorns never actually read a FOMC statement bythemselves, or dig into nonfarm payrolls etc which should be a very basic thing to learn
     
    #78     Sep 18, 2022
  9. easymon1

    easymon1

    I put trading time into PA and stats to trade fast charts which factor in the market perturbing information that spawns from reports and news on a millisecond by basis continually.
    1) Besides knowing when they are released to the unwashed masses, What three things would you say are of primary importance to be learned from FOMC statements and nonfarm payrolls etc. Why?
    2) How can study of the above information lead a trader to Which charts to look at?
     
    #79     Sep 18, 2022
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  10. In the years of 2014-2019 everybody had a gut feeling of the US beeing in an economic slowdown (everybody had worries at least). But what counts to the market are "official numbers" which were okay or even good in these times. To read the FOMC statement was essential to predict upcoming QE (and later the "not QE"). To see how hawkish or dovish the Fed would be was essential. The markets always immediatly react to numbers, but sometimes in the wrong direction first and its essential to know for a trader to wait for the market to reverse. Also carry trades, the easiest of all trades, are not doable without knowledge or forecast. That the Euro can close to always be shorted against the dollar was common knowledge, when to enter position was dependent on FED and ECB. No QE + strong Dollar = bad for equities and versa.
    To your 2nd question I can not give you a clear answer. I was mostly a swing trader so daily and weekly charts were my game.
     
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    #80     Sep 18, 2022