If you could go back in time, would you kill Hitler's mother?

Hitler’s mother - Clara - was the opposite of Alois (Hitlers Father)- very caring and loving and she frequently took Hitler’s side when his father’s poor temper got the better of him. She doted on her son and for the rest of his life, Hitler carried a photo of his mother with him where ever he went.

 

Stalin killed far more people than Hitler and that is a fact. He had his own pograms against the poles and his own people. Over his tenure uncle joe killed many more than hitler.

Some of you don't know enough history IMHO.

To have prevented WW2 you would have had to prevent WW1 and that means that you would have had to kill the Serb who killed Ferdinand.

The seeds of war were sown long before Hitler and Stalin marched around Europe.

 

Who exactly are your quoted "historians"?

The most widely accepted figure is 20 million.

 

I don't think anyone knows for sure, but it's way more than 1 million.


"Soviet Union, Stalin's regime (1924-53): 20,000,000 (deaths)

o Chistyakovoy, V. (Neva, no.10): 20 million killed during the 1930s.
o Dyadkin, I.G. (Demograficheskaya statistika neyestestvennoy smertnosti v SSSR 1918-1956 ): 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.
o Gold, John.: 50-60 million.
* Davies, Norman (Europe A History, 1998): c. 50 million killed 1924-53, excluding WW2 war losses. This would divide (more or less) into 33M pre-war and 17M after 1939.
* Rummel, 1990: 61,911,000 democides in the USSR 1917-87, of which 51,755,000 occurred during the Stalin years. This divides up into:
o 1923-29: 2,200,000 (plus 1M non-democidal famine deaths)
o 1929-39: 15,785,000 (plus 2M non-democidal famine)
o 1939-45: 18,157,000
o 1946-54: 15,613,000 (plus 333,000 non-democidal famine)
o TOTAL: 51,755,000 democides and 3,333,000 non-demo. famine
* William Cockerham, Health and Social Change in Russia and Eastern Europe: 50M+
* Wallechinsky: 13M (1930-32) + 7M (1934-38)
o Cited by Wallechinsky:
+ Medvedev, Roy (Let History Judge): 40 million.
+ Solzhenitsyn, Aleksandr: 60 million.
* MEDIAN: 51 million for the entire Stalin Era; 20M during the 1930s.

# And from the Lower Numbers school:

* Nove, Alec ("Victims of Stalinism: How Many?" in J. Arch Getty (ed.) Stalinist Terror: New Perspectives, 1993): 9,500,000 "surplus deaths" during the 1930s.
* Cited in Nove:
o Maksudov, S. (Poteri naseleniya SSSR, 1989): 9.8 million abnormal deaths between 1926 and 1937.
o Tsaplin, V.V. ("Statistika zherty naseleniya v 30e gody" 1989): 6,600,000 deaths (hunger, camps and prisons) between the 1926 and 1937 censuses.
o Dugin, A. ("Stalinizm: legendy i fakty" 1989): 642,980 counterrevolutionaries shot 1921-53.
o Muskovsky Novosti (4 March 1990): 786,098 state prisoners shot, 1931-53.
* Gordon, A. (What Happened in That Time?, 1989, cited in Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993): 8-9 million during the 1930s.
* Ponton, G. (The Soviet Era, 1994): cites an 1990 article by Milne, et al., that excess deaths 1926-39 were likely 3.5 million and at most 8 million.
* MEDIAN: 8.5 Million during the 1930s."

 

To prevent the wars I would go to Germany's building of their navy. It was foolish and they had a great and growing relationship with England that was trashed. Germany + England and WWI never starts.

 

In the Ukraine alone he starved 7 million.

mompx, are putin and noah chomsky the historians you are quoting?

Some of the estimates are as high as 50-60 million deaths.


By those standards Hitler was just some guy who made a few bad choices yet Stalin, communism and leftism never seem to get any bad press.

It's incredible that present day people are so stupid as to believe communism isn't dangerous.

 

Good lord.

There are a couple issues I have with these numbers.

He was dictator for 25 years, not one.

You honestly believe "historians" from the USSR? Beyond the fact that you are quoting 1 year out of 25, do you really think they are accurate?


Come on man, get it together.

 

That's TWO years, what about the other TWENTY SEVEN?

Did you overlook this part?

That's 1.7 million and again only includes TWO years.

 

mompx, yes, we are all brainwashed fools.

I think I understand your logic but correct me if I'm wrong.

By ignoring 95% of stalin's murder victims, in fact, he really didn't kill that many people.

Am I correct?

Thanks for your help.

 

You presume too much.
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

In fact the author of each estimate is listed next to the number. I guess you missed that too.

Mom0/pH0x = MoFoMoron