"If there were no God, there would be no atheists

Discussion in 'Politics' started by peilthetraveler, Dec 4, 2009.

  1. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    It shouldn't be hard to deal with social Darwinists, that's a flawed theory.

    Unfortunately we've always had other social engineers. Aren't tax deductions for home mortgages but not any for rent payments a form of social engineering?
     
    #71     Dec 9, 2009
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    My point is that the scientific camp has its extremists too, with Chairman Mao as perhaps their most "successful" member.

    Religion's positing of a greater authority than Man and science has, along with problems, been very useful too.
     
    #72     Dec 9, 2009
  3. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    You can't be serious positing Mao as a scientist. Mao may have been an atheist (more likely an antitheist) but he was no scientist.

    The people who believe in their own infallibility are not scientists, even if they were once scientists in the past. Science is all about constant testing: every fact must be independently verified, every theory must be solidly fact-based or it gets replaced by one that is.

    And if two competing theories account for all the facts in a study, Occam's razor says to choose the simpler one. So far that works perfectly.

    Individual scientists may be arrogant or flawed in other ways but the scientific community has the methods to weed out emotionalism form the final conclusions.
     
    #73     Dec 9, 2009
  4. Ricter

    Ricter

    Well, no, he himself was not a scientist. He ran with the ideas of other scientists.
     
    #74     Dec 9, 2009
  5. stu

    stu

    Then God had no time to exist.
    Without existence, nothing exists . Now you may want to go Bernard Roberts road into blind ranting sophistry, and then blame me for being a sophist. That's the usual religious response.

    But maybe you have something less absurd to say. I'm an eternal optimist.
    Nevertheless, eternity needs existence and so would god.

    The irreducible principle, the first cause cannot be god . It would have to be existence.
    Nothing exists without existence .
     
    #75     Dec 9, 2009

  6. +1

    nothing else is possible
     
    #76     Dec 9, 2009
  7. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Wow, that's uh...that's...really deep man.


    I just wish I had some dope to smoke, so I could read it again AND "understand" it...yeah.




    You think a bunch of beer would be just as good?
     
    #77     Dec 9, 2009
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  9. stu

    stu

    ...maybe a lobotomy may help in your case, who can tell...
     
    #79     Dec 9, 2009
  10. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    You think Pascal's wager is "proof" of the supernatural? Well that explains a lot. :p
     
    #80     Dec 9, 2009