Did you actually read my responses to you at all? Or are you just on some kind of automatic pilot with your canned Bullshit? I plainly said to you that at the time when these Marines go to Court Martial then and only then should they be judged by those who have all the facts. Neither you nor the media reports that you quote have all the facts. I don't trust the media... you shouldn't either. If they are charged and convicted I can assure that they will be severely punished. They'll be punished worse than any criminal in the normal justice system because the UCMJ is one harsh motherfucker. So you don't have worry your pretty little head about the bad Marines. If they're proven to be guilty they will be punished. If not they won't. Finally, as if you couldn't tell....I was a Marine. These men are my brothers and I will back them until it's proven that I shouldn't. You on the other hand are a jerk-off troll. That is all.
As much as you wish for America's demise after a few soldiers screwing up, it ainât gonna happen. Iâm waiting until the final conclusions are out but Iâll assume the worst, like you. But do you think you can use this to invalidate U.S. military policy? Do you think you can use this to invalidate our Iraq mission as a whole? A lot of people out there hope so. Guess what? Their influence is in decline. I said it before and Iâll say it again: This will not have the legs like Abu Ghraib because enough people realize the utility of a successful Iraq mission outweighs all military incidents and mishaps combined. You guys are being dishonest when you try to push America to a âhigher standardâ in military conduct. Any opportunity to make America weak will do, including the perpetuation of guilt and shame necessary to keep Americaâs hands tied behind its back. Thatâs what this is all about.
LOL, look at you. You're so worked up over this you can't even edit and repost without slobbering all over it. LOL, what's hilarious is that you have little to no memory capacity. The tribunal to indict, try, and convict ALL who were involved in Balkan atrocities, not just Serbs, was initiated from a unanimous UN resolution. Not one member nation, including Arabs, voted against it. To accuse the US of being solely responsible shows what little you know, or want to know, when it contradicts your blind hatred for anything American. The fact that you would even bring this up is hilarious since the atrocities that are being put on trial was committed against Muslims you idiot. The resolution and subsequent tribunal was pleaded for by Croat, Kosovar, Albanian, and Bosnian Muslims. Your blind hatred of the US is seriously starting to disrupt the blood flow to your brain. No I don't believe that you are. I think you find it secondary to any reasons for hating the US. After all, I don't see one post by you that even acknowledges that grotesque issues of Muslim on Muslim violence is damaging to your religion, must less how outraged you are by it. Go ahead and prove me wrong by supplying us with some links to previous posts that would hint otherwise. I didn't equate anything. Don't hold my posts in comparison to anything until you can at least comprehend the simple context to which I wrote them. Let me type real slow for you; that might help: If you want to put American soldiers on trial under the standards that you are using to implicate them under violations of international law, you better start rounding up your Muslim brothers for the same trial least you want to call yourself a hypocrite. You can start with Hezbollah, Hamas, the PLO, Jordanians, Pakistanis, Egyptians, Syrians, and Turks. ????? What the hell does that have to do with this????? If you want to use that as a weak excuse to fuel a blame game, then blame the French for supplying weapons and the Canadians, Ghanaians, Belgians, and the Dutch; they already had troops on the ground and pulled out. But hey, we all know you don't really give a shit about the Rwandans either. They aren't nothing more than pawns for your hate fueled tirades. No, that's fact. You're babbling proves as much. No, I wouldn't. Last time bonehead: The Hague is reserved for those that orchestrate and sanction atrocities that would otherwise not receive justice due to the absence of law and order within their own country. The US has one and it's called the Code of Military Justice. I assure you, those that are found guilty of any acts of atrocity will get punished and it will be much uglier than anything that exists within any civilian system of law. Military prisons are so harsh, the death penalty is considered a compassionate reprieve.
I think these guys are guilty as hell and liars to boot. There's WAY more than enough to charge. And WAY more than enough for pretrial confinement. Shoot a bunch of unarmed people here and you'd be locked up in all 50 states from the getgo. That's what cops and prosecutors in the real world go for - - they prejudge (very accurately most of the time) and go after the suspects -- not coddle them like these military pussies that apparently hoped Time Magazine and the rest would just go away. Losers. I wonder where they are now. I can't tell from the reports I've looked at.
Yes I have. I have already answered your question to this issue on my original post in this thread and the last one. It's clearly nobody's fault you can't comprehend what you read but you. Get hooked on phonics if you must, but you have some serious issues with reading comprehension. LOL, no you won't. You are going to stay right where you are at, pecking away incomprehensibly at your keyboard, pretending to everyone here how morally intelligent you are on this issue and every other one you choose to stammer in. The masses in this country could care less about what happens in their lives as long as they get their fast food, cheap beer and gas, and who's singing tonight on American Idol (more people voted in the final episode than both presidential candidates got combined). You are a fool to believe that they even care enough to watch the news much share your aspirations to "save" this place to your liking. My, what a potty mouth you have. You are sooo much the perfect example of the "saviour" mentality this country is searching for. Like I said before, the marines, if found guilty, will be punished according to the code of military conduct; NOT according to your's or anyone else's standards of justice. I also explained why. If you don't like it, tough shit; get over it. If you can't get over it; they make medication for that. I'm not outraged. I'm amused. I have repeatedly told you what the due process of military punishment is and why it exists in the manner that it does. I have even gone to the extent to explain why that process is misunderstood and how one can go about understanding it. No where in this thread will you find me condoning or belittling the gravity of this issue. I don't know how more plainly I can put it. If you still don't get it, then it's no other problem but your own. However, as indicated by this: I would wager that you have much more serious personal issues to worry about than dead women and children and who is going to get punished for what.
Interesting philosophical discussion. However, it rests totally on a foundation of quicksand. Whatever your political position may be, the due process clause of U.S. Constitution trumps any treaty made by the U.S. Government. All U.S. Citizens, including members of the U.S. Military, are entitled to adjudication of a charge of criminal activity in a court which applies the law of the U.S., prior to a final deprivation of life, liberty or property, whether the charge is shoplifting or war crimes against humanity (except, of course, for "enemy combatants," whose actual constitutional rights are still very much in question, as the U.S. Supreme Court has yet to definitively rule on their status under the Constitution). Thus, it is simply a violation of the 6th Amendment right to a fair trial, which includes the right to be tried by a jury of one's peers, and to have each and every element of the charge found by the jury beyond reasonable doubt, the right to effective counsel, the 5th Amendment right to be free from compelled self incriminating testimony, the 8th Amendment right to reasonable bail, to be free from excessive fines and cruel and inhuman punishment, and so forth and so on. Because such protections cannot be guaranteed at the Hague, and which does not apply the general principles of procedure, evidence, burden of proof, etc., as required by the due process clause, the soldiers cannot be transferred to the World Court for war crimes. That is, not without amending the U.S. Constitution.
Practically speaking, how many citizens of a country that have overthrown the resident government would then be sent to the Hague for war crimes by their own government who directed the invasion and occupation? Seems to me that generally those who lost a war or are overthrown become Hague bait... Maybe Milosevic tried to make a claim that he wasn't to be tried for crimes, and we know Saddam doesn't think the court that he is being tried at has the power to try him. The losers go to court, the winners tend to hold those court.... All the legal mumbo jumbo about US Constitutional rights wouldn't mean a thing if the Marines were captured by an enemy government that the US had lost to. Possession of greater military might, seems to be more than 9/10ths of the law....
<b>Hmmm... now where have I seen the word 'racist' misspelled this way before....?</b> http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/searc...=1225248&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending <b>Ahalan Wael! Kif halak ya zalami?</b>