If the Fed cuts by 50pt tomorrow....

Discussion in 'Trading' started by forsalenyc, Sep 15, 2008.

  1. 7000. Half of the high. That will be a correction.
     
    #21     Sep 16, 2008
  2. Daal

    Daal

    the liquidity on the fed funds futures seem to have dried up. the spreads are so wide. does anyone know if this is normal on fed days
     
    #22     Sep 16, 2008
  3. S2007S

    S2007S


    I see the bottom around 8000-8500, this is going to take years, I think we are going to have a down to sideways market for at least another 5-10 years. The next bull market is years away, alot further than what statistics will tell you.
     
    #23     Sep 16, 2008
  4. dhpar

    dhpar

    liquidity on fed days may be lower especially on the longer end.
    this time it is different though. it is the first meeting in years which is not predicted 100%. it could be 50/50 50bps cut or anything else - judging by fed members it looks like nothing, judging by market participants it could be 75bps. therefore nobody really wants to trade this digital stuff......
     
    #24     Sep 16, 2008
  5. dhpar

    dhpar

    how crazy mkts is visible e.g. in sep ff future...

    implied (assuming 2% effective ff rate for the next 2 weeks) is somewhere around 97.97. after today's announcement it trades around 98.06, i.e. 8-9bps of free money....! crazy :cool:
     
    #25     Sep 16, 2008
  6. If the Fed cuts by 50pt tomorrow....

    NOT
     
    #26     Sep 16, 2008
  7. dhpar

    dhpar

    well, that's VERY likely...

    also why then october contract does not trade at 98.50+? switch on the brain.

    (maybe because they will hike in the middle of october - off the meeting? lol):p
     
    #27     Sep 16, 2008
  8. dhpar

    dhpar

    i continue to be puzzled by that - can somebody explain? how comes that Sep and Oct FF futures trade almost at the same le vels? (98.06 vs 98.09)

    if i calculate correctly this means that effective ff rate till the end of september should average around 1.82!!! how is that possible?
     
    #28     Sep 17, 2008
  9. I remember taking the same attitude last year (after March).... needless to say, there were emergency cuts post my evaluation.

    If you think we won't hear a peep about more bankruptcies/etc in the next month, you are right. I doubt it... Those aren't such an easy 9bp.
     
    #29     Sep 17, 2008
  10. dhpar

    dhpar

    this is like milking cow - free monies. again 98.03 vs 97.95 implied with one week to go...and more importantly this w/e in few hours. I expect below 2.00 rate on the previous friday.
     
    #30     Sep 22, 2008