If someone has the power, why do they position themselves as a victim?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ZZZzzzzzzz, Mar 14, 2008.

Who is the victim in the Middle East?

  1. Israel

    7 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. Palestinians

    8 vote(s)
    38.1%
  3. Both

    2 vote(s)
    9.5%
  4. Neither

    3 vote(s)
    14.3%
  5. The United States

    1 vote(s)
    4.8%
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    #31     Mar 15, 2008
  2. You see how doodoo is refusing to answer to what Daniel Levi is saying about who is refusing the peace and about who started the ar???

    And to prove my point further, it is the same guy who accuses z10 of being a troll.

    Answer what Daniel Levi said you coward.
     
    #32     Mar 15, 2008
  3. Isn't it great that the one who spearheaded the attack against z10 accusing him of being a troll is she herself one???

    The coward is refusing to answer to the charges made by Daniel Levi.

    Every time you are going to accuse z10, I will be after you doodoo the nazi girl.
     
    #33     Mar 16, 2008
  4. If you insist:
    1. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War, also known by Israelis as the War of Independence

    The British mandate over Palestine was due to expire on 15 May, but Jewish Leadership led by future Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, declared independence on 14 May. The State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation, and was quickly recognized by the Soviet Union, the United States, and many other countries.

    Over the next few days, approximately 1,000 Lebanese, 5,000 Syrian, 5,000 Iraqi, 10,000 Egyptian troops invaded the newly-established state. Four thousand Transjordanian troops invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs, as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan. They were aided by corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.

    Israel lost about 1% of its population in the war: 6,373 of its people. About 4,000 were soldiers and the rest were civilians.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War#1948_Arab-Israeli_War
     
    #34     Mar 16, 2008
  5. The Six-Day War

    also known as the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, the Third Arab-Israeli War, Six Days' War, an‑Naksah (The Setback), or the June War, was fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Algeria also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces.

    In May 1967, Egypt expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula, which had been stationed there since 1957 (following the 1956 Sinai invasion to allow for a free Suez Canal), to provide a peace-keeping buffer zone. In reaction to Israeli-Syrian tensions, Egypt amassed 1000 tanks and 100,000 soldiers on the border, closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, and called for unified Arab action against Israel.[4] In response, on June 5, 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack[5] against Egypt's airforce. Jordan, which had signed a mutual defence treaty with Egypt on May 30, then attacked western Jerusalem and Netanya


    At 10:00 p.m. on 16 May, the commander of UNEF, General Indar Jit Rikhye, was handed a letter from General Mohammed Fawzy, Chief of Staff of the United Arab Republic, reading: "To your information, I gave my instructions to all U.A.R. armed forces to be ready for action against Israel, the moment it might carry out any aggressive action against any Arab country. Due to these instructions our troops are already concentrated in Sinai on our eastern border. For the sake of complete security of all U.N. troops which install OPs along our borders, I request that you issue your orders to withdraw all these troops immediately.

    On May 22, Egypt announced that the Straits of Tiran would be closed to "all ships flying Israel flags or carrying strategic materials", with effect from May 23

    In his speech to Arab trade unionists on May 26, Nasser announced: "If Israel embarks on an aggression against Syria or Egypt, the battle against Israel will be a general one and not confined to one spot on the Syrian or Egyptian borders. The battle will be a general one and our basic objective will be to destroy Israel

    Syria was governed by the radical Baathist Party, constantly issuing threats to push Israel into the sea.

    Egyptian Field Marshall `Abdel Hakim `Amer had devised a plan to launch an attack on Israel with the aim of cutting off Eilat at dawn on May 27. [8] On 26 May 1967, Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban landed in Washington with the goal of ascertaining from the American administration its position in the event of the outbreak of war. As soon as Eban arrived, he was handed a cable from the Israeli government. The cable said that Israel had learned of an Egyptian and Syrian plan to launch a war of annihilation against Israel within the next 48 hours.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
     
    #35     Mar 16, 2008
  6. Anwar Sadat in 1972 publicly stated that Egypt was committed to going to war with Israel, and that they were prepared to "sacrifice one million Egyptian soldiers."

    The Yom Kippur War, Ramadan War or October War also known as the 1973 Arab-Israeli War and the Fourth Arab-Israeli War, was fought from October 6 to October 26, 1973 by a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel. The war began with a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. Egypt and Syria crossed the cease-fire lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively, which had been captured by Israel in 1967 during the Six-Day War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
     
    #36     Mar 16, 2008
  7. On June 19, 1967, the National Unity Government of Israel voted unanimously to return the Sinai to Egypt and the Golan Heights to Syria in return for peace agreements. The Golans would have to be demilitarized and special arrangement would be negotiated for the Straits of Tiran. The government also resolved to open negotiations with King Hussein of Jordan regarding the Eastern border
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War


    UN resolution 242 - land for peace, accepted by Israel
    http://www.mideastweb.org/242.htm

    Between August 29 and September 1, 1967, eight Arab heads of state met in Khartoum (Sudan) and drafted the following resolutions:
    no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it
    http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/Treaties/1967khartoumtext.html
     
    #37     Mar 16, 2008
  8. Once again, ZZZzzzenu's shockingly amoral statements push the bounds of credulity. Is the Idiotic Troll simply Trolling? Is this Trolling 101, as described by RM? This statement is so idiotic, so obviously absurd, that one is tempted to consider the possibility.

    It's possible, however, that this pathetic excuse for a human actually believes in this philosophical abortion.

    To see the Alcoholic Troll preaching morality is laughable at best.
     
    #38     Mar 16, 2008
  9. Clinton, who promised Arafat that no one would be blamed if the talks failed, did, in fact, blame Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace." [3] According to The Oslo Syndrome, "most of the European states followed Clinton in seeing the Israeli offers as very forthcoming and placing the onus for the summits's failure on Arafat .... Nor did [Arafat's] regime's post-Camp David complaints regarding Israel's not recognizing the Palestinian refugees' 'right of return' win over the Europeans or Americans."[12] The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former minister in the Palestinian Authority.

    In 2004, two books by American participants at the summit were published that placed the blame for the failure of the summit on Arafat. The books were The Missing Peace by longtime US Middle East envoy Dennis Ross and My Life by President Clinton. Clinton wrote that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you made me one.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Camp_David_Summit
     
    #39     Mar 16, 2008
  10. So is Daniel Levi Lying??? The one you put as a member of the israeli negotiating team in Camp David, Taba and Anipolis lied???

    And let me guess, your wikipidia knows better???

    Is that the best your zionist brain could come up with???

    Thought so!
     
    #40     Mar 16, 2008