If Biden gets inaugurated Covid-19 will magically disappear

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Nov 13, 2020.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Why don't you provide the url to the source of these charts so we can also post the midwestern red states.

    You know... all those states currently listed as having the highest infection rates per million in the country.
     
    #21     Nov 14, 2020
  2. wildchild

    wildchild



    Hey Stolen Valor, why dont you learn how to do your own research?
     
    #22     Nov 14, 2020
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Why don't you learn to post the source of your information --- so it can be evaluated for being factual.

    We all know why you don't post the charts for mid-western red states now --- the numbers are very ugly.

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    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#compare-trends_newdeathsper100k
     
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    #23     Nov 14, 2020
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  4. wildchild

    wildchild

    If you think this is a good chart and it tells a story then it is obvious your data analysis skills are very weak.

    Please do some research and come back when you do better.

    I recommend.

    Visual Data Storytelling with Tableau (Addison-Wesley Data & Analytics Series) 1st Edition

    By Lindy Ryan
     
    #24     Nov 14, 2020
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    It appears that you can't read charts very well. Let's start with the basics -- on the right hand side of the chart are the lines for WY, SD, and ND above or below the lines for NY, IL, and MA?
     
    #25     Nov 14, 2020
  6. Wallet

    Wallet

    In reality the response, national and local will not change much. We will deal with the virus as best we can through the winter until spring and the estimated earliest rollout of the vaccine.

    All MSM narratives will be centered around the Biden administration’s positive actions (same things we’ve been doing all along but are now reported in a positive light). Any setbacks will automatically be blamed on Trump and his administration.
     
    #26     Nov 14, 2020
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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #27     Nov 14, 2020
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  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Most Presidents do such...blame their setbacks on the prior president that held office or blame a congress split / controlled by the other party.

    That's the norm since the early 1900's. Yet, its rare to see a President take credit for something the prior administration had done. Trump manage to take the credit for several things created by the prior administration of Obama / Biden...

    Then screwed it up in his own re-election via concentrating too much on Obama and Hillary Clinton (whom was never president). It played a hand in sabotaging his re-election as he spent too much time concentrating on Obama / Hillary Clinton...old man Joe walked in fairly easy...

    So easy that you once stated to me that LESS than 15 people go to Joe Biden's rallies...I'm sure you remember that comment while you forgot its a Pandemic. :p

    Trump will most likely do the same if he runs again in 2024...attacking Obama and Hillary Clinton...enabling Harris for an victory too. :rolleyes:

    Thus, I doubt Biden / Harris will take credit for Operation Warp Speed nor for the initial stimulus package nor a slowly recovering economy nor for the strong dead cat bounce in the markets.

    Just be happy that they will be handed a deadly mismanaged Pandemic and a military that lost confidence in its leadership / lack of confidence by many of its allies.

    If Biden can fix the above...it will become their legacy and setup a strong start to a 2024 campaign. Trump had his chance and we'll never know now if he would have also screwed up the distribution of a FDA approved vaccination considering many of his followers do not like to follow the health guidelines...more likely wouldn't take the 2 step Covid-19 vaccination.

    If Biden can convince people about the importance of face mask (it doesn't hurt you) and convince people to get vaccinated...latter 2021 - 2022 get be a big year for team Biden / Harris.

    You'll be surprise at how many Covididiots there are out there that do not understand that Covd-19 doesn't care about how someone voted nor care about what state someone lives in.

    Yet, with all the rallies, school openings, university openings, professional sport openings, businesses re-opening and the 59% - 60% face mask wear that failed to increase with the re-openings...it caused a failure in the re-openings.

    The failure in increasing face mask wear has occurred at the worst time possible...going into the FLU season. :(

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  9. Nine_Ender

    Nine_Ender

    I'd say the narrative that Covid wouldn't be news if Biden wins is a clear failure. Not that I ever doubted it would be, because Covid is not a political event. The danger here is the worst of Covid hits while the lame duck President is more interested in "election fraud", pardons, his future outside of politics.

    Poster "wildchild" get's it wrong again.
     
    #29     Nov 14, 2020
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The Dakotas are 'as bad as it gets anywhere in the world' for COVID-19
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...th-south-dakota-masks-kristi-noem/6237635002/

    South Dakota welcomed hundreds of thousands of visitors to a massive motorcycle rally this summer, declined to cancel the state fair and still doesn't require masks. Now its hospitals are filling up and the state's current COVID-19 death rate is among the worst in the world.

    The situation is similarly dire in North Dakota, with the state's governor recently moving to allow health care workers who have tested positive for COVID-19 to continue working if they don't show symptoms. It's a controversial policy recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a crisis situation where hospitals are short-staffed.

    And now — after months of resisting a statewide mask mandate — North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum changed course late Friday, ordering masks to be worn statewide and imposing several business restrictions.

    “Our situation has changed, and we must change with it,” Burgum said in a video message posted at 10 p.m. Friday. Doctors and nurses “need our help, and they need it now,” he said.

    Both North and South Dakota now face a predictably tragic reality that health experts tell USA TODAY could have been largely prevented with earlier public health actions.

    Pandemics require people to give up some of their freedoms for the greater good, University of British Columbia psychiatry professor Steven Taylor told USA TODAY. In conservative regions like the Dakotas and elsewhere in the world, it's common to see push back like an “allergic reaction to being told what to do,” said Taylor, author of "The Psychology of Pandemics".

    But months of lax regulations have contributed to a growing public health crisis in the Dakotas.

    How widespread is COVID-19 across North and South Dakota?
    The current rates of infection and deaths per capita in South Dakota and previously restriction-free North Dakota are what Dr. Ali Mokdad would expect to see in a war-torn nation — not here.

    “How could we allow this in the United States to happen?" asked Mokdad, a professor at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington in Seattle. “This is unacceptable by any standards.”

    North Dakota's COVID-19 death rates per capita in the past week are similar to the hardest hit countries in the world right now — Belgium, Czech Republic and Slovenia — according to Saturday New York Times data. That data also places South Dakota's recent per capita deaths among the world's highest rates.

    And there's currently nowhere in the U.S. where COVID-19 deaths are more common than in the Dakotas, according to data published by The COVID Tracking Project.

    It's a situation “as bad as it gets anywhere in the world," Dr. William Haseltine told USA TODAY.

    How did it get so bad?
    Mokdad pointed to a number of factors that have made both North and South Dakota vulnerable to the virus' spread. He cited higher rates of preexisting conditions and economic inequality in the region, in addition to health care that lags behind the U.S. standard.

    But the lack of regulation from the states' leaders is an ongoing and fixable problem, Mokdad said.

    Haseltine, president of ACCESS Health International and author of My Lifelong Fight Against Disease, blamed politicians — especially South Dakota Republican Gov. Kristi Noem — for ignoring public health measures that have been successfully used to curb the spread of the virus elsewhere in the world.

    Noem has cast doubt on whether wearing masks in public is effective, saying that she’ll leave it up to the people to decide. She has said the virus can’t be stopped.

    Burgum, also a Republican, had pleaded with people to wear masks and praised local towns and cities that have mandated masks. He had avoided requiring masks and refused to enforce limits on social gatherings and business occupancies until late Friday.

    The new mandate requires residents to wear face coverings in indoor businesses and indoor public settings, as well as outdoor public settings where physical distancing isn’t possible. The directive goes into effect Saturday and will last until Dec. 13.

    Burgum also directed all bars and restaurants to limit capacity to 50%, and closed all in-person service between 10 p.m. and 4 a.m. Large-scale venues also are limited to 25% capacity.

    Noem and Burgum have touted ideals of limited government, with Noem continuing to express concern about how decisive state action could be an example of a government overreach.

    But Haseltine framed public health actions another way: Not enacting them is like standing in the way of an ambulance — the ambulance being proven health measures like mask mandates and social gathering restrictions. Even worse, encouraging large scale events in a pandemic as South Dakota has done is equivalent to manslaughter, Haseltine said.

    North Dakota now requires masks. Why not South Dakota?
    On Friday, Noem's office responded to President-elect Joe Biden's proposed nationwide lockdown and mask mandate by saying she has no intention of using state resources to enforce any federal COVID-19 orders.

    "It's a good day for freedom. Joe Biden realizes that the president doesn't have the authority to institute a mask mandate," said Ian Fury, communications specialist for Noem. "For that matter, neither does Gov. Noem, which is why she has provided her citizens with the full scope of the science and trusted them to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved-ones."

    Fury said in an emailed statement that a third of the state's hospital beds are open and 20% are used by COVID-19 patients. "We have availability in all regions of our state," the statement reads.

    In response to critics, including Andrew Cuomo — New York's Democratic governor whose handling of the pandemic has been mostly praised by many public health experts — Noem remained defiant.

    "I appreciated that President (Donald) Trump gave us the flexibility to do the right thing in our state, and we'll continue to do that. He let me do my job," Noem told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on Sunday.

    Noem also criticized New York's total death rate during the pandemic, which is higher than South Dakota's. Fury said the South Dakota's death rate is below the national average.

    Mokdad said such comparisons are misleading, given how early and hard New York City was hit this spring.

    “You in the Dakotas … you knew it was coming,” Mokdad said. “You denied it ... even today you are denying it.”

    What's next for the Dakotas?
    The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation's influential model predicts daily deaths in North and South Dakota will peak, then decrease in coming weeks, but total deaths will more than double by March 1.

    In two states with less than 2 million people between them, more than 3,000 are expected to die of COVID-19 by then.

    Mokdad and Haseltine said that number is not fixed. Widespread mask adoption and a serious commitment to physical distancing in the Dakotas can still save lives.

    If Burgum's mandate works and the entire state begins wearing masks, about 250 peoples lives will be saved, the IHME model estimates. Masks can still save a similar number in South Dakota, according to the model.

    Without statewide enforcement in South Dakota, some local leaders have sought to enact local rules — particularly mask mandates.

    "I'll tell you what, I'm scared," said Sioux Falls City Councilor Curt Soehl as he fought a failed battle for a mask mandate in South Dakota's largest city. "I'm ... scared. Two daughters that are nurses. Two son-in-laws that work in health care. I have eight grandchildren. And I'm scared for them. And I'm scared that when I go to bed tonight — if I do tonight — when I go, that I haven't done enough."
     
    #30     Nov 14, 2020